How have I only just realised this about Prince Andrew …

[LilacLemur]

I don’t know if I’m just oblivious to things but how have I only just realised Prince Andrew was 41 when he met Virginia Guiffre.

For some reason I thought this happened in the mid 80’s before he was married and definitely before children.

Knowing how old he was and that he had children just makes it so much more shocking (not that it needed to be).

Was anyone else blind to this?

Oh Gosh. Don't read up about how he allegedly hires sex workers to beat them up in his hotel rooms then

I agree, and I'm wondering if we're ever going to get the rest of the names.

Leonardo DiCaprio is gay and his longterm life partner is Lukas Haas. The girlfriends are paid to cover this up, and they get exposure out of it. Look it all up. I believe it - Leo only ever looks happy when Lukas is there. He never even looks at the girlfriends. Kate Winslet said once that there is a household name A-list male star who's gay but won't come out because he thinks it would ruin his rep as a Hollywood heartthrob and affect his career. If it's true, it would make sense how Kate and Leo became so close on Titanic but never got it on.

Lukas's family is very close to Leo's: both families have travelled to Germany together to visit their German relatives. The two families are in-laws and Lukas is Leo's husband in all but name.

TLDR: Leo won't be one of the names.

Off topic, but Miriam Margolyes recounted how he, Leo, wore a dress frequently shopping off set with her on a movie they were on together. She found it very odd.

She added he was smelly! Lol,

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lawsuit-accuses-billionaire-leon-black-raping-autistic-teenager-jeffre-rcna96373

Leon Black is a name

I couldn’t find any articles other than AI overview to see if Black is still being sued. And you have to register to access files in the Southern District NYC. Here’s what AI said -

“Overview

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Yes, Leon Black is still being sued in a case filed in July 2023.
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A lawsuit was filed against him alleging rape of a minor with autism and Down syndrome in 2002, which he denies. While another lawsuit by a woman named Guzel Ganieva was dismissed in May 2023, and a separate lawsuit by Cheri Pierson was discontinued in February 2024, the July 2023 case remains active.
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Ongoing lawsuit: A lawsuit filed in July 2023 alleges that Black raped a minor in 2002. Black's legal team denies these allegations.
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Dismissed lawsuit: A lawsuit filed by Guzel Ganieva was dismissed in May 2023.
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Discontinued lawsuit: A separate lawsuit filed by Cheri Pierson was discontinued in February 2024. “

So the lawsuit discussed on the first srticle is still active according to AI.

His son Benjamin has just been nominated by Trump to be part of his administration. CEO of the Department of Finance Corporation. I think it controls US AID among other things.

I don’t think the age of either Andrew or VG ( if in the uk that she is over 16) are important what is significant is whether this is a case of human trafficking and then whether Andrew knew that

You don’t think it’s important that a 40 year old man slept with a 17 year old girl? Would a decent man not wonder why there were so many young girls on an island? It’s far from normal. With everything that has been revealed in the recent books, the Netflix show about Epstein etc, what’s been reported, I really don’t understand how there can be any doubt that Andrew knew what was going on and what he chose to take part in.