How have I only just realised this about Prince Andrew …

[LilacLemur]

I don’t know if I’m just oblivious to things but how have I only just realised Prince Andrew was 41 when he met Virginia Guiffre.

For some reason I thought this happened in the mid 80’s before he was married and definitely before children.

Knowing how old he was and that he had children just makes it so much more shocking (not that it needed to be).

Was anyone else blind to this?

I actually think the RF were not particularly horrified by Andrew’s sexual antics because they viewed them as harmless, alpha male, totally normalised, patriarchal behaviour. I don’t think any of them cared about the women that were used & abused because to them, the Queen included IMO, they were concubines & high class whores carrying out their duty. The Queen actively accepted Phillip’s mistresses & was fully aware of KC’s mistress from the get go. Boys will be boys would have been the motto where their institution has been built on the divine right of kings & male privilege. With a bloodline of kings & their “whores” going back through the centuries.

Fergie I believe was no different who probably viewed the trafficked young women as there by choice, enjoying the perks of the wealthy elites they willingly chose to work their trade in. I mean patriarchy has normalised & glamorised paedophilia with the Lolita literary concept made real by Epstein’s private jets & his island & homes basically Lolita theme parks. Where wealthy men could freely indulge in paedophilia & sexual abuse of underage girls. Fergie I believe came from the same world that enabled Saville his access to vulnerable children. These young women have no feelings as they are dehumanised commodities there to sexually serve entitled males.
It’s truly sick. The RF only care about the optics not the actual victims in this IMO. Possibly the newer generations like PW will. Let’s hope so anyway.

Nothing has been proved yet. Everyone seems to be believing the media hyperbole. We're bombarded with it from all sides.

None of us know the truth.

Has anyone actually read 'Nobody's Child', so far? I am ploughing my way through it.

You are right that Trump’s FBI have shelved the investigation.

However, now there is a US Congressional Committee investigation into Epstein and they have said they would like to speak to Andrew.

It’s not going away. Despite what Trump and his rich mates might want.

And then there’s the Congressional petition to force the release of all the Epstein Files. They have 217 signatures. Only one more needed. And as soon as the government shutdown ends, Trump’s mate, the Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, will have to swear in the most newly elected Democratic representative and her signature will be number 218. Hopefully, Trump’s administration will comply.

The FBI then may have to unshelf the investigation.

Are you saying nothing has been proved yet, in regard to Andrew? that is mostly correct.

Nothing has been proved in regard to Andrew at this point. Except that he’s a liar. He’s lied about ending his friendship with Epstein hasn’t he? That has been proved by his emails, yes?

However, now there is a US Congressional Committee investigation into Epstein and they have said they would like to speak to Andrew.

I’m sure they would.

I hope the committee are also just as keen to speak to those residing in their own back yard?

If it's any consolation to you, nobody in the US gives a rat's ass about PA. The focus is entirely on influential men here, including our dear leader.

They are far more interested in speaking to rich and powerful Americans, but hoping that PA would be less intelligent and able when it came to fielding questions than many of the other members of the pondscum club, so might cough up useful information.

The book's title is Nobody's Girl.

That is good to hear.

That they would like to speak with Andrew, I think that is very wishful thinking on their part. It’ll never happen and there isn’t much they can do about it. I think they need to bin that idea off.

I really do hope eventually they are all flushed out, but I can’t see it happening.

Don’t be so naive! You clearly have zero comprehension of legal processes!

The “head honcho’s” visit will have been planned some time in advance.

Autocorrect is the least of your issues!!

Including our US ‘friends’? Seriously?!

Another one ignorant of how the law works 🤣

Your ‘conclusion’ is bollocks.

On the basis of all the evidence, Andrew is Philip’s son!

Yes I am very confident in what I post and I will use as many exclamation marks as I choose because it is not against guidelines, so put that on your needles and knit it 🤣

What a load of crap! I couldn’t even be bothered to read it all! I don’t believe Philip had ‘mistresses’. There was never any credible evidence. He loved the Queen and I believe he was loyal to her! I believe they genuinely loved each other!

don’t believe for one minute the Queen would have been unfaithful, got pregnant by someone else and Philip have accepted it!! He was a proud man. There’s zero reason to imagine Andrew was not his son! He had more in common with Andrew than he did with Charles!!

How many ‘mistresses’ did Charles have? That would be one, the woman he always loved, and still does, but wasn’t allowed to marry!

Yes, they are looking elsewhere. It’s a very wide investigation by the sounds of it.

This should answer some of your questions.

No you haven’t read my post - I never claimed the Queen had any children out of wedlock nor do I claim she had any affairs!

The Guardian just came out with this article about so many questions on where his money actually comes from, and just why he's been the black sheep of the family and why his mum covered for him so many of these years.

How does he pay for it all? The mystery of Prince Andrew’s money

My conclusion is just as valid as yours; I would say what I think of yours, but too polite
I looked at evidence; I presume you did too; we’ve come to different conclusions
If you’ve got time, look at pics of A and Lord Porcester
Don’t get your knitting needles in a twist about my comment on your use of exclamation marks: it’s a forum, expect to be criticised!!

It all happened around 2000 so Andy would have been about 40

More than 20 years older than Virginia

I presume he thought she was willing and felt lucky for the privilege

In response to PPs, I have read the book and there are plenty of other men named. Including men that were there but who she wasn’t forced to have sex with. There were some men who she hasn’t named publicly for legitimate reasons explained in the book, but every single one of them she has named to the police. She hasn’t let anyone off.

If Andrew did offer information about the others who are rich and powerful, would his life not be at risk? I mean, if the others are so rich and powerful?

I presume he thought she was willing and felt lucky for the privilege

I suspect in his head he was still 'young Andy, war hero'. How many of us truly feel our age?

Not excusing him, especially as we know he knew her age in comparison to his daughters.

Yes, it is.

I was replying to you but also referenced a PP who claimed Andrew was not Prince Philip’s son. Sorry, should have clarified.