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Andrew to lose Duke of York title (part 2)

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elprup · 19/10/2025 14:01

I thought I’d start a new thread as the previous one is full!

Here’s the first thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5429027-andrew-to-lose-duke-of-york-title?page=1

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AlternativeView · 20/10/2025 19:12

Why would Andrew want to stay in a boring consulate when he has a hareem of young girls at his beck and call where he can "play " with epstein

So Andrew dug his heels in and was contrite

Id be interested in a proper pyscological profile of Andrew . .
Most people ,men esp can feel guilty how they used to treat women when they have daughters

I can't get my head around feegies mindset or where her money goes.

I can't understand it .

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/10/2025 19:12

See also my previous post, @CrimsonStoat and @TightlyLacedCorset, about the palace presuming to tell us what we should be concerned about Angry

I've very rarely angry about anything, but this has got to me. They seem to have forgotten we're no longer serfs to be instructed, and right now I almost wish Andrew would write his book and burn the whole rotten lot down

canklesmctacotits · 20/10/2025 19:18

He’s tried to hire internet trolls (let’s just think for a minute about those who are successful in this), and availed of Balmoral being out of bounds for law enforcement so as not to be served papers. Who THE FUCK does Andrew think he is??

If KC3 doesn’t demote him from Princedom, he’ll be devaluing the value of being a prince. How can one not ask itself what this family is actually FOR, when they allow this shit to go on unsanctioned? By doing nothing, Charles looks like he doesn’t think Andrew needs any more consequences. perhaps the Pope will pray some sense into him.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/20/prince-andrew-internet-trolls-virginia-giuffre-book-nobodys-girl

Prince Andrew tried to hire ‘internet trolls’ to hassle Virginia Giuffre, book claims

Andrew hid behind Balmoral’s ‘guarded gates’ to escape court papers, accuser says in memoir Nobody’s Girl

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/20/prince-andrew-internet-trolls-virginia-giuffre-book-nobodys-girl

CoffeeCantata · 20/10/2025 19:25

MrsLeonFarrell · 20/10/2025 13:09

He is deflecting attention but I think more from others who associated with Epstein rather than the rest of his family. I don't see a limit in the press to the number of Royal scandals they are willing to cover at one time.

A bit of a tangent

I have worked in safeguarding and have seen at first hand how many families and friends struggle to connect such depraved behaviour with someone they love and respect. I would not be at all surprised if the late Queen believed Andrew's version, I've seen it happen again and again, even in the face of facts and convictions. I don't know if Charles would be in the same bind but William is definitely someone who can face the facts and act appropriately where his uncle is concerned. Andrew is lucky Charles is taking the lead.

I'm not saying that the late Queen shouldn't acted sooner and stronger just that it is far easier to see what to do when you are not emotionally connected to the person concerned.

I agree. We’ll probably never know but I find it impossible to believe that the Queen knew the full horror, or if she did, she must have been taken in by Andrew’s version.

Despite what some pps say I just do not believe she knew all the stuff Lownie alleges and carried on regardless.

But we may never know - all any of us can do is speculate!

MrsLeonFarrell · 20/10/2025 19:30

CoffeeCantata · 20/10/2025 19:25

I agree. We’ll probably never know but I find it impossible to believe that the Queen knew the full horror, or if she did, she must have been taken in by Andrew’s version.

Despite what some pps say I just do not believe she knew all the stuff Lownie alleges and carried on regardless.

But we may never know - all any of us can do is speculate!

I agree. I find it unlikely that the late Queen would condone his actions. But if you think of the amount of rubbish, allegations, sources and gossip that any person in the public eye puts up with it's entirely possible that Andrew convinced her this was just another example of that.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/10/2025 19:45

From the Guardian link: "Downing Street would not be drawn on the matter, with the prime minister’s official spokesperson saying the question of legislation was “a matter for the palace in the first instance”"

Can someone please explain to me when legislation became a matter for the palace rather than parliament? Hmm

As for ministers "“supporting the judgment of Charles”" about the titles - what judgement?

TightlyLacedCorset · 20/10/2025 20:02

canklesmctacotits · 20/10/2025 19:18

He’s tried to hire internet trolls (let’s just think for a minute about those who are successful in this), and availed of Balmoral being out of bounds for law enforcement so as not to be served papers. Who THE FUCK does Andrew think he is??

If KC3 doesn’t demote him from Princedom, he’ll be devaluing the value of being a prince. How can one not ask itself what this family is actually FOR, when they allow this shit to go on unsanctioned? By doing nothing, Charles looks like he doesn’t think Andrew needs any more consequences. perhaps the Pope will pray some sense into him.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/20/prince-andrew-internet-trolls-virginia-giuffre-book-nobodys-girl

He hired internet trolls?😮

Dear god.

binkie163 · 20/10/2025 20:05

Put Netflix on today and a new Trial of Christine Keeler!! The Profumo affair, I expect many on here too young to remember this, minister of defence Profumo, lord aster, all their Eton shooting party pals with young girls back in the 1960s it brought the government down, this disgusting entitled behaviour is nothing new.
It's probably daft but I expect better from the royal family, I am disappointed in TLQ as I can't believe she didn't know, courtiers, M15 etc are not that shit at their jobs, so have to assume it is an orchestrated cover up like everyone did for saville. Andrew asking for dirt/investigation on someone he swore he didn't know is an admission of guilt to me. I hope he gets crucified. Lownie said in an interview that Andrew will go to jail, as much as he deserves it, I can't see that happening.

canklesmctacotits · 20/10/2025 20:08

TightlyLacedCorset · 20/10/2025 20:02

He hired internet trolls?😮

Dear god.

He tried to - no indication whether he was successful. But the fact he tried to suggests he was prepared to do immoral things to get out of the bind he found himself in.

The bottom line in all this is that Andrew doesn‘t think he needs to be held to account for what he did, and did/is doing whatever he can to not be held to account.

His reasoning may be that nobody else is, he doesn’t think this was illegal or morally wrong, he’s above the law as a son of a monarch…whatever. It doesn’t matter. His actions say he should get away with this, and Charles’s actions say a rap on the knuckles is punishment enough, and the government is saying whatever Charles says goes.

What message does that give to young girls?

Tiredofbullsit · 20/10/2025 20:08

CrimsonStoat · 20/10/2025 17:34

No. If the RF is being slimlined, they're the obvious first choices to stop.

They form no part of the monarch, heir and close family structure that is supposedly what William wants, and Charles was also supposedly on board with slimlining.

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That was before Harry, Meghan and Andrew bailed.

Plus it would be a kick in the teeth to dump
them after their years of loyalty if they don’t want to stop!

binkie163 · 20/10/2025 20:24

Tiredofbullsit · 20/10/2025 20:08

That was before Harry, Meghan and Andrew bailed.

Plus it would be a kick in the teeth to dump
them after their years of loyalty if they don’t want to stop!

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I always thought TLQ ladies in waiting was an odd thing. Titled aristo ladies, friends of HM but expected to be on call 24/7 an unpaid job but considered an honour. I have some wonderful friends but sod that! I have a life of my own.

AreYouSureAskedNaomi · 20/10/2025 20:33

I think staff must have known. Maybe not all the sleazy details, but his security people must have definitely been aware of his movements and followed him closely. Something like
HRH Prince Andrew went into a room with a young blonde woman and they remained there for 2-3 hours, at Epstein's mansion, on dates between xyz and abc

I wonder if the pope will say something to KC. Pope Francis was more of a busybody and was happy to share his opinions about everything. The current guy is a lot more reserved.

elprup · 20/10/2025 20:57

if Andrew was asking aides to dig on Virginia before/during the time they met, surely that disproves his claims of having never met her?

I don’t see why it disproves his claims. Say she really was someone he’d never met (which I don’t believe for a second, of course!) then he’d probably want to find out as much as possible about who this stranger was accusing him of a serious crime.

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NewspaperTaxis · 20/10/2025 21:02

The thing about the State is - it is very good at the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, it sort of depends on that. Other entities do it - the person who sort of knows their spouse is unfaithful but also doesn't know, or doesn't want to, doesn't want to 'go there'. I'm not vegetarian but I lean that way - and it depends on 'turning a blind eye' to how animals end their lives, it can't exactly be nice, can it? There are all kinds of examples.

This year I sent a PDF via email to scores of MPs, journalists, campaigners etc about alleged euthanasia in Surrey care homes, backed up with evidence and personal stories of mine in the press, features and letters. Got virtually no response, save my Epsom MP Helen Maguire whom I'd met once on the subject, basically saying, hey, keep our emails confidential! And that was it, she did nothing about it. So State cover ups are the done thing.

References on this page to Prince Philip and Christine Keeler are on the money. She too was hounded after the fact. The idea was, not being officially a prostitute but a 'good time girl' it is harder to prove that the men have frequented prostitutes, as no direct payment has been made, the gals are simply rewarded by living the high life.

There is a very odd clip from the Parkinson show in which the now notorious but then national treasure Jimmy Savile talks about how he introduced a young girl to Prince Philip. Delivered in his trademark jocular scattershot style, it now sounds like a coded message to the Establishment - I've got dirt on you, remember that, don't come near me. Some in the Messages claim that actor Alan Alda had the measure of him but that may be generous.

Likewise I'm unsure there is any smoking gun re Andrew. The Maitless interview had no 'gotcha' moment, no 'but I thought you just said you'd never met her' bit of trickery or elephant trap laid for him. Andrew dug himself a hole by showing what a bore he is/was and his alibis are unconvincing but that's not criminal in itself. Years later - and it is years later - these emails have been leaked showing he was lying about his last contact with Epstein, so that has certainly validated her interview by getting him on the record, something that wouldn't otherwise have happened.

What puzzles me given all this is who actually went after Epstein and how, and convicted him back in the day, given he had so much on everyone - you'd think a quiet word with the police would have nixed it. Certainly that would happen now - and would have happened then, you'd think.

AlternativeView · 20/10/2025 21:06

I think he remembers her but maybe he met soo many she was one in a chorus of girls...that's why he can't pin point her

How impervious and arrogant is this man
Charles seems so sensitive in comparison

How did phillip cope with him .

Aside from arrogance there is something they are rationalising this with .
Perhaps they don't feel they had enough bank rolling form the purse ? But then how has Anne coped ?
Edward ?
They must utterly despise him .his poor girls...

Was it fergie who corrupted him or did he make her see how to work the royal pole ?

elprup · 20/10/2025 21:21

This made me chuckle. Can you imagine Andrew being shipped off the far north of Scotland? It would certainly be hard to get into any more trouble up there!

The ex-duchess has shown a remarkable capacity for loyalty to her ghastly ex-husband over the years but if – as is increasingly expected – Andrew is forced to give up his lease on the Royal Lodge at Windsor – the 30-room pile where the divorced couple live in separate wings to this day – I doubt she will be quite so keen to co-habit.

And certainly not if – as the Mail on Sunday suggested at the weekend – the prince is persuaded to relocate to the Castle of Mey, the late Queen Mother's 16th-century fastness in the far north of Scotland.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15208295/prince-andrew-epstein-virginia-giuffre-fergie-beatrice-eugenie.html

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Rhaidimiddim · 20/10/2025 22:23

Tiredofbullsit · 20/10/2025 14:04

Just thinking out loud - perhaps threads like this one will stop the “but Andrew” brigade in their tracks!! Posters are every bit as willing to discuss him when there’s something to discuss!

I am not sure why the likes of Andrew and Maxwell, and VG for that matter, didn’t and don’t sing like canaries? It has to be fear of ‘consequences’ of some kind? Which makes me wonder again about Epstein’s demise?

Thinking of it that way shines an intetesting light on A's clinging (ahem) for dear life to a home geographically located where police protection is assured. And may explain how he is able to afford it.

BemusedAmerican · 20/10/2025 23:36

Two words. Corgi allowance.

elprup · 21/10/2025 07:15

Rhaidimiddim · 20/10/2025 22:23

Thinking of it that way shines an intetesting light on A's clinging (ahem) for dear life to a home geographically located where police protection is assured. And may explain how he is able to afford it.

Speaking of how he affords it…

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15210951/Prince-Andrew-rent-Royal-Lodge-mansion-inheritance-Queen.html

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binkie163 · 21/10/2025 07:37

Amy Wallace author of guiffre book on BBC at moment saying Virginia wanted all the men involved held to account, why have none of them been named in her book?

JSMill · 21/10/2025 07:43

binkie163 · 21/10/2025 07:37

Amy Wallace author of guiffre book on BBC at moment saying Virginia wanted all the men involved held to account, why have none of them been named in her book?

While I want A to be stripped of everything possible, I am wondering why he’s the only person being named.

jeffgoldblum · 21/10/2025 07:47

JSMill · 21/10/2025 07:43

While I want A to be stripped of everything possible, I am wondering why he’s the only person being named.

Because our royals don’t have people killed .
( these days, I should add before history is mentioned)

upinaballoon · 21/10/2025 08:16

binkie163 · 20/10/2025 20:24

I always thought TLQ ladies in waiting was an odd thing. Titled aristo ladies, friends of HM but expected to be on call 24/7 an unpaid job but considered an honour. I have some wonderful friends but sod that! I have a life of my own.

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So if you get a message from Camilla, asking if you'd like to be one of her Queen's Companions for a few weeks a year you will be sending her a 'Fuck off' message back.

MrsLeonFarrell · 21/10/2025 08:22

JSMill · 21/10/2025 07:43

While I want A to be stripped of everything possible, I am wondering why he’s the only person being named.

Because he is the least important and the name with the least power, particularly since the Queen died. It's a big deal here that he is implicated but on the world stage he is a blip.

I think the government are doing the ball here though. They should have drawn up a bill to remove his titles, they have the power. For some reason they want to push all the responsibility onto the palace.

binkie163 · 21/10/2025 08:50

upinaballoon · 21/10/2025 08:16

So if you get a message from Camilla, asking if you'd like to be one of her Queen's Companions for a few weeks a year you will be sending her a 'Fuck off' message back.

I would laugh and tell her to dress her bloody self and make her own phone calls. I wouldnt make a very good companion except maybe walking the dogs. A century ago unmarried ladies who had no financial support obviously a good gig but not now. I would have to be frisked every day, the jewellery would not be safe in my hands.

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