Andrew to lose Duke of York title

[Flixon]

News banner from the Torygraph saying Andrew and Sarah are losing their titles. They will be ‘put into Abeyance’ Andrew also to lose the Order of the Garter. Sarah will be known as Sarah Ferguson, he retains ‘Prince’ as he is the son of HM QE2.

bloody good job !

Edward V and Edward VI were not adulterers
Mary
Elizabeth I and II probably
Lady Jane Grey

Thats about it I reckon

KC could take the title of Prince away. He should have gone the whole hog.

I suspect once William is King, there will be many that lose the title of Prince and Princess. Andrew being the top of the list.

So it's not a big difference then, is it? Whether you've given your coat to someone else or you've kept it but can't use it - either way it's not going to be much use for keeping you warm

I think it's a protective move designed to distance the core of the family from him and therefore protect the monarchy. I get the feeling the sh hasn't all hit the fan yet in terms of his past. If there's more scandal to come I imagine they want as much distance as possible

Definitely with you on that, @JJWT, but then self-protection is what the institution prioritises above all else

And while I get the point about "not using" the titles rather than being "stripped of them", I'll say yet again there's probably only so far they can go in upsetting Andrew before tthat self protection becomes at risk

Yes, I agree with this. He needs to be held to account. Also, how is he able to continue living at Royal Lodge? How is he funding this?

Yes precedent is a tricky thing. Maybe though Charles knows William has wider plans and that it will happen when he ascends. The HRHs really need a narrower range.

WTF! Have you seen the recently released emails they BOTH sent to Epstein after publicly saying they'd never have any dealings with him again? Don't bother replying until you've read their own words and the date they were written, especially Andrew looking forward to playing soon. They would both sell their souls to the devil for a few quid.

Wrong post!

Probably uses dodgy money. They can't remove him because he has a legal contract with the Crown Estate and unless he breaches it they are stuck.

BBC is reporting he will retain titles given from Birth so will still be a prince but will cease being Duke of York and any other titles given later in life (marriage onwards)

He should be in prison for what he did to Virginia Guiffre (and others no doubt).
The late Queen paid VG off (and others no doubt).
He should never be seen with the RF in public again.
As pp have said, he won't change, he doesn't believe he's done anything wrong (and the RF probably agree...)

Or boosting your status and you can't use the coat/ title to get money for yourself. This will matter to Andrew.

I did like finding out about your duvets though! A different kind of coverage from royal coverage 😆

Oligarchs and potentates, in the style of an operetta.

Splitting hairs again. It doesn’t matter. He won’t ever use them again, The ultimate humiliation for a man like Andrew. We can’t pretend he never had them!

Yes, and if the weather turns a bit chilly, you can go get your coat and put it on.

But I don't think Andrew can put his dukey title on ever again.

So while the title has not formally been removed, which would involve a complex parliamentary procedure, to all extents and purposes it is permanently lost to him.

🤣

I think the late Queen probably thought he did nothing wrong, but Charles and William don’t think the same way.

I firmly believe they, and Anne and Edward, are fully aware of what Andrew is like, hence the constant moves to get him out of Royal Lodge and trying to stop him attending events

How much of the family are funded is a question in itself. Not just Royal Lodge, but also Bagshot or whatever it’s called, where Edward lives (it’s huge). I do wonder.
(Looking forward to Norman Baker’s new book which is apparently about the family’s finances).

My point is that the King has not pulled the ultimate lever. He's done a fudge, just like his mother did.

He should be called legally to account

I expect most of us with agree with that, @MrsLeonFarrell, but it really isn't going to happen

If they couldn't risk Burrell speaking from a witness box they certainly won't risk Andrew, and ghastly as he is Burrell seems far better able to measure the impact of his words

We need the 😄 back

Yes - my Dad knew Andrew in the Navy; I'm glad to say this will matter to him, Andrew, very much.

Utterly meaningless! I don’t know why you are so hung up on this. He can’t ever use them. Surely that’s adequate?!

Thing is monarchy is all about bloodline, and Andrew was pretty high up in that regard. He was the son of the queen and now the brother of the king. Until the birth of William, he ranked just after Charles in the LoS.

I don't think removing princely titles is something any royal takes lightly, but no point guessing what William might do.