Andrew to lose Duke of York title

[Flixon]

News banner from the Torygraph saying Andrew and Sarah are losing their titles. They will be ‘put into Abeyance’ Andrew also to lose the Order of the Garter. Sarah will be known as Sarah Ferguson, he retains ‘Prince’ as he is the son of HM QE2.

bloody good job !

I might be wrong but I thought it was established that this was definitely her.

Find something else to do?

And ignorance is no defence. I know. But she doesn't seem to have behaved as if she was trafficked, in fact, which makes the whole thing utterly sad. She seemed willing, he fancied her, she wasn't constrained in any way whatsoever - and she was over the age of consent in the UK and flew here to sleep with him. It's very muddy. I think she was deceived by glamour and only realised what had been done to her later - not entirely sure I am going to make a criminal of even sleazy Andy if she didn't know she was trafficked and he didn't know either.
I am now on the spot, of course, because I know that prostitution is paid for rape and I support the Nordic model. But the UK (except NI) doesn't have the Nordic model so how are we getting Andrew convicted? I just wish he'd go away and live with his (ex)wife and leave the rest of us in peace. I also wish the UK would adopt the Nordic model - but it still won't land sleazy Andy with a conviction because laws cannot (here) be retrospective (because it's unjust among other things).

Oh God, I despair of some people. Do they think KC was doing it for fun?

Jeez.

All the things that are coming to light happened when Queen Elizabeth was alive. The only thing that's changed is that they are no longer kept under wraps. And that's a good thing imo. The time to feel sadness and shame was when Andrew was making those choices. I wonder how much the late queen knew.

Really bringing up whether Fergie looked good or not in her wedding gown is frivolous. Especially against the background of espionage and the trafficking of vulnerable girls and women for the depravity of powerful men, with little prospect of meaningful prosecutions.

Why are people on here bringing Harry and Meghan into a discussion about the pedo prince?

They are literally just living their life, and the amount of vitriol being spewed at them on a thread about a man who was besties with sex traffickers and had sex with vunerable teenagers. 🙄

Well, she got used to being plain old Duchess of York

I’m afraid there’s a very simple answer to that, and I’m assuming yours is a rhetorical question.

This headline "Royal's fall from grace complete as monarchy cuts him loose" really made me LOL, something about "cutting away the rigging" etc . . .
But of course the whole thing is a very sad reflection of the tragedies inflicted on the vulnerable by the rich and powerful.

Yes, and I actually feel sorry for Charles et al who had to entertain Trump (who was besties with Epstein), they had to do it because it is their job.

I would like to think that when Charles was told it was to happen he thought "Christ, not again!"
They all kept poker faces at the posh banquet and what they really thought of him was kept well hidden. They are actually good at that. All helped of course by the ostentation of the actual event.

Harry & Meghan are brought up on here because a light is being shone on the whole shebang. Personally I would prefer if this thread was kept to Andrew and Sarah, given there are loadsa threads about how awful harry and meghan are.

It's genuinely so weird how much some people hate them. Creepy to me honesy.

"But Andrew" is mentioned time and time again as something stupid on harry and meghan threads.
I think we are in "but H&M" territory! 🤣

I literally can't wait to see what further revelations are doing to come out because we know they are going to be shocking!

If they are shocking then I wonder if the RF have done a wise thing in moving on Andrew's titles right now, @stillavid

Regardless of how Andrew feels about it, most seem to have twigged it's really just a cosmetic, face-saving exercise for the rest, so having shot their bolt they may need something else to overcome fresh headlines if they're truly bad

@jumpingthehighjump
I am not defending behaviour I am defending a principle of innocence until guilt is proven. I agree that his choice of words and liaison after there had been a conviction was appalling but that does not mean he is guilty. I don't believe that vilification and trial by the press is desirable . There have been cases in the past where the press have pursued what turns out to be innocent people, I know PA is in the public eye and to some extent media coverage comes with this, but we live in a society which believes in innocent until proven guilty and that is for all. Its not personal and in my postings I am focusing upon the issue.

Time to invoke the royal edition of Godwin’s Law: the moment someone says “But Harry & Meghan” on an Andrew thread (or vice versa), the debate is officially over. You lose 🤣

Because pps like yourself have raised the subject with rhetorical questions such as “What’s Harry done to provoke so much hate 😲compared to Andrew?”

I’ve only seen answers to this question, not whataboutery about Aitch.

William. Going to be interesting when he’s king!

yes. On Netflix. By book. Any chance he gets…
you wouldn’t be miffed maybe?

About Andrew. The book is almost out…probably a Netflix soon enough…

I doubt whether he or KC did it voluntarily without being prodded to do so. They've been sitting on this for years really, tinkering around the edges of sanctions for Mr. Odious himself.

The Royal machine of the Firm got through at last I'd say, and pointed out what was coming down the tracks, so better get in first rather than after the horse has bolted.

It took a long time for this to happen, and their backs were against the wall. Self protection and self preservation is what it's all about though. Make no mistake about that.

You're not a High Court Judge. It's not a criminal trial. You don't have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that this guy is a disgrace and a skank.

He is guilty at least of associating with a man and woman found guilty of child sex offences. And lying about it.

His "punishment" is to have slightly less unearned privilege. Fuck him. You don't owe him any benefit of the doubt.

There's so much obsequiousness on this thread. None of this family have done anything to earn their lives of privilege and wealth.

Not so. Prince Andrew has not been stripped of any titles. Despite misleading headlines, he has retained all formal honours—he has merely agreed not to use them. In my view, this is an inadequate response to serious allegations, including sexual abuse of teenage girls and corruption during his tenure as trade ambassador.
Andrew has repeatedly lied about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. It is implausible that senior members of the royal family were unaware of his actions or his contact with Epstein. Evidence suggests the monarchy has actively shielded Andrew, including the financial settlement paid to Virginia Giuffre.
Media coverage has focused on how this situation is embarrassing for King Charles or, as Andrew himself put it, a “distraction” for the monarch. But the real issue is not royal reputations—it is justice for the young girls abused by powerful men.
The actions taken by the royal family are not about accountability. They are about preserving privilege and protecting the powerful, the same as with the Orange Buffoon in the White House. All while the public purse pays Andrew huge sums as a Royal. It's a disgrace.

What a revolting post. Do you have a list of acceptable behaviours for underage girls who are victims of grooming and trafficking? I suggest you read the books by Epstein's victims so you understand that there are people out there, mostly men and some women, focused on finding and targeting vulnerable girls to groom them and exploit them for sex.

The government told them to do it - they certainly didn't choose to pursue this themselves.

Yes, this smacks of looking like something has been done without anything actually being done. Removing titles sets a dangerous precedent. I would be really surprised if the RF is on board with actually doing that.

I suggest they need to move him away from the Windsor estate which is high profile, and move him and Sarah to an obscure manor house deep within another Royal estate many miles away from London.
So they can hopefully live a quiet restrained life.