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Flixon · 2025-10-17T17:36:14+00:00

News banner from the Torygraph saying Andrew and Sarah are losing their titles. They will be ‘put into Abeyance’ Andrew also to lose the Order of the Garter. Sarah will be known as Sarah Ferguson, he retains ‘Prince’ as he is the son of HM QE2. bloody good job !

Itwasallyellow2 · 18/10/2025 15:52

This has taken too long and the timing makes me wonder what else is going to come out over the coming weeks.

I have no doubt that he continues to get significant financial support from the Royal Family which will enable him to either stay in his current property or move to an alternative, luxury, pad. He has been enabled throughout his life and will no doubt continue to be so. Removal of titles doesn’t go far enough. Sickening. But am I surprised? No. There are few consequences for the Royal Family and they continue to exist regardless of behaviour or work output. If they were employed by a public body, most would be sacked.

Mylovelygreendress · 18/10/2025 16:01

JoeMarlerseyes · 18/10/2025 15:16

no doubt if he did, you would find a way for that to be wrong.

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If he had indeed decked Andrew, Harry would have gone up in my estimation.
It seems strange that he has so many petty complaints about members of his family yet the one who has behaved the worst is not given a mention .
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GellerYeller · 18/10/2025 16:04

CoffeeCantata · 18/10/2025 14:07

Harry punched this man just for fun when he met the band (when he was fun, adorable Prince Harry). It was totally unprovoked and TH was not amused, especially as there seemed to be no comeback or consequences for the entitled charmer.

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Gosh, I must have missed that. Thanks for the update!
Harry was quite popular in his cheeky young royal rogue days. As was Andrew around the same age. The irony.

ARichtGoodDram · 18/10/2025 16:04

Itwasallyellow2 · 18/10/2025 15:52

This has taken too long and the timing makes me wonder what else is going to come out over the coming weeks.

I have no doubt that he continues to get significant financial support from the Royal Family which will enable him to either stay in his current property or move to an alternative, luxury, pad. He has been enabled throughout his life and will no doubt continue to be so. Removal of titles doesn’t go far enough. Sickening. But am I surprised? No. There are few consequences for the Royal Family and they continue to exist regardless of behaviour or work output. If they were employed by a public body, most would be sacked.

Virginia Giuffre's memoir is coming out very soon.

Plus I think it's clear now that Andrew, and now Sarah, are the ones that are going to be the focus of anything Epstein related so there is bound to be more.

Not that it shouldn't come out - it absolutely should - but given the Trumps, Clinton's etc that were also involved it seems like they are the chosen high profile ones to have all the hideous details leaked a bit at a time. Keep the attention away from the other names.

BIossomtoes · 18/10/2025 16:08

unless part of the leverage of him giving up his titles was financial support to stay in situ.

I’d bet my house it was. He’s been paid off - stay in Royal Lodge and a guaranteed income for life.

IdaGlossop · 18/10/2025 16:19

ChineseSpymaster · 18/10/2025 15:10

The accommodation issue is going to be more difficult to sort out with him living in the 30 room royal lodge. He signed the lease on that until 2078 I think, it’s not going to be a simple matter of KC getting him out. He is legally protected just like any other leaseholder.

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I am astonished that the lease doesn't include a clause about early termination in the event of behaviour that brings the Crown into disrepute, and another about failure to maintain house and grounds to the standard to which they were maintained at the inception of the lease. But it seems there are not.

Mimph · 18/10/2025 16:28

jumpingthehighjump · 18/10/2025 15:49

I'm sure he will be very grateful for your support.

Staying in touch with a convicted sex trafficker is awful. Lying about it to the great british public is disgusting. There is no 'innocent until proven guilty' with those two sentences of mine

I would not want to live in a society where the was no such concept of "innocent until proven guilty"

Tiredofbullsit · 18/10/2025 16:30

LancashireButterPie · 18/10/2025 07:49

@Supersimkin7 "Fergie isn't loathed by anyone who's met her".

I beg to differ. I've met her several times and she is not only thick but also condescending and arrogant.

She was as annoying as fuck right from the outset. For someone from her background, she had no clue how to behave!

jumpingthehighjump · 18/10/2025 16:31

Mimph · 18/10/2025 16:28

I would not want to live in a society where the was no such concept of "innocent until proven guilty"

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He is not innocent of the two sentences in my post.

Tiredofbullsit · 18/10/2025 16:37

nicepotoftea · 18/10/2025 08:44

I think his character flaws have been magnified by his upbringing and the institution.

If I were Prince William I would be less concerned about Andrew and Harry, and more worried about the need to prevent my own children from being eaten by the toxicity of the world they live in.

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I think they are doing just that. They put their children front and centre of everything, as of course they should.

Tiredofbullsit · 18/10/2025 16:39

jumpingthehighjump · 18/10/2025 08:51

Yes totally innocent. People give £10million+ to someone they say they've never met, all the time

Innocent people settle every day. It’s how the system works!

Traceysgoingtobelivid · 18/10/2025 16:39

Not that it shouldn't come out - it absolutely should - but given the Trumps, Clinton's etc that were also involved it seems like they are the chosen high profile ones to have all the hideous details leaked a bit at a time. Keep the attention away from the other names.

Agree, isn’t it interesting that only four people have taken the rap, Ghislaine, Andrew, Sarah and Mandleson, all British citizens while the Clintons, Trumps etc have got off Scott free, reputations in tact, bank balances full, titles and standing in society unaffected, they must all be cockahoop.

Tiredofbullsit · 18/10/2025 16:49

CrimsonStoat · 18/10/2025 09:47

I don't think William will be doing any of that. Why on earth would he strip Beatrice and Eugenie of their titles? Their husbands and their children don't have any and they're obviously not angling for them, so what's the point?

Same with his brother. He may well issue letters patent for future siblings of monarchs, but I doubt it since his own "spare" kids are titled up with prince and princess.

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I completely agree! I doubt there will be any title removing. What would it achieve? Maybe Archie and Lili because they don’t even live in the UK? Otherwise it seems a pretty pointless exercise. Limit titles going forward by all means but of themselves the titles are fairly irrelevant!

ARichtGoodDram · 18/10/2025 16:52

Traceysgoingtobelivid · 18/10/2025 16:39

Not that it shouldn't come out - it absolutely should - but given the Trumps, Clinton's etc that were also involved it seems like they are the chosen high profile ones to have all the hideous details leaked a bit at a time. Keep the attention away from the other names.

Agree, isn’t it interesting that only four people have taken the rap, Ghislaine, Andrew, Sarah and Mandleson, all British citizens while the Clintons, Trumps etc have got off Scott free, reputations in tact, bank balances full, titles and standing in society unaffected, they must all be cockahoop.

It really is.

All Brits, and lots of leaks at strategic times.

Tiredofbullsit · 18/10/2025 17:00

EmpressSisi · 18/10/2025 10:13

I don’t think it would make much difference, really. Everyone would still retain their place in the line of succession and any peerages or other titles already granted. For example, Prince Edward would simply be known as the Duke of Edinburgh (as he often is already), and Archie would start using the title Earl of Dumbarton. That’s essentially how the Danish royals handled it (Prince Joachim’s children went from being Princes and Princess to Counts and Countess of Monpezat, without losing their place in the line of succession).

The only ones who’d really lose out are the girls. Anne wouldn’t care in the slightest, as she’s never been one for fuss or titles, and Lili’s young enough not to understand the implications if it’s done soon enough. The only ones who might truly be bothered are the York sisters, and I suspect Andrew would take it harder than they would. He’d probably be more upset at seeing them as Mrs Brooksbank and Mrs Mapelli-Mozzi than at the loss of their “Princess” titles.

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William is NEVER going to strip the Princess Royal of her title!! Nor Prince Edward! I think some of you are getting a bit carried away here! I can’t see any change being that radical! What would it achieve to remove the titles of the York princesses? Absolutely fuck all! It would be seen as vindictive and polarising! William will need all the support he can get!

Tiredofbullsit · 18/10/2025 17:04

sashh · 18/10/2025 10:50

Can I just point out that Andrew is not using his title, but it technically is still his.

I'll bet as soon as KC is gone he will try to start using it again.

I don't think Beatrice and Eugenie will ever be working royals but I think the Wessex children might. Not the high profile stuff but the things their parents do now. Eg the lady who used to run the community shop by me was awarded and MBE and the Edward and Sophie attended, the shop is in a council estate in a deprived area, so not exactly glamorous.

I don’t think he will ever dare!

Mylovelygreendress · 18/10/2025 17:06

Tiredofbullsit · 18/10/2025 16:49

I completely agree! I doubt there will be any title removing. What would it achieve? Maybe Archie and Lili because they don’t even live in the UK? Otherwise it seems a pretty pointless exercise. Limit titles going forward by all means but of themselves the titles are fairly irrelevant!

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I don’t think Meghan would agree that the Sussex title is irrelevant given that she uses it at every opportunity!

Tiredofbullsit · 18/10/2025 17:08

Peaknique · 18/10/2025 11:13

People are already asking for clarity as to what he has "given up", as they begin to realise that this will make zero difference to his actual life. So I rather think I do understand it!

By tomorrow, more questions will be being asked in the Sunday papers.

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I really don’t think you do, going on your own wits.

do think there is more to emerge, and this is a pre-emptive move. Andrew and Sarah are finally finished!

Thedom · 18/10/2025 17:09

I didn’t realise this book is a rewrite of a book Virginia Guiffre previously wrote, there is another book coming out by another one of Epsteins victims which sounds even more harrowing and things I had never heard of.

How the hell did he manage to ensnare so many people into his web.

finance.yahoo.com/news/blue-butterfly-inside-diary-epstein-120000747.html

jumpingthehighjump · 18/10/2025 17:10

I totally agree. Andrew Lownie on BBC this morning said there is a lot more to come out.
We have Guiffre's book. Another survivor has also written a book.
And I don't think the chinese spy thing is going away, I think Andrew is up to his neck in that.

jumpingthehighjump · 18/10/2025 17:10

@Thedom Great minds think alike!

jumpingthehighjump · 18/10/2025 17:14

Oh my goodness me... the other book is not just about sex trafficking. I read a while back somewhere that Epstein was interested in eugenics and cyrogenics, he used to court a lot of scientists. It seems he arranged for girls to be operated on???

Tiredofbullsit · 18/10/2025 17:16

CoffeeCantata · 18/10/2025 13:27

It was inappropriate and regrettable but I think came from being extremely embarrassed about being questioned on such a personal matter. I would probably have said something equally crass in those circumstances. I’m very private and feel absolutely mortified When questioned about very personal matters, even just in a one to one conversation.

Yes, it was unfortunate and Charles has been crucified for it over the years but he’s a shy man in a very public role and I get it.

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Didn’t the photographer Arthur Edward’s say they were all over each other in the early days of the marriage? And Diana said they were the closest they had ever been in the months leading up to Harry’s birth? I think Diana was irrational and temperamental and Charles had no clue how to handle it.

JoeMarlerseyes · 18/10/2025 17:19

Mylovelygreendress · 18/10/2025 16:01

If he had indeed decked Andrew, Harry would have gone up in my estimation.
It seems strange that he has so many petty complaints about members of his family yet the one who has behaved the worst is not given a mention .
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How dare he share that his brother assaulted him.

CoffeeCantata · 18/10/2025 17:20

Mylovelygreendress · 18/10/2025 16:01

If he had indeed decked Andrew, Harry would have gone up in my estimation.
It seems strange that he has so many petty complaints about members of his family yet the one who has behaved the worst is not given a mention .
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I keep banging on about this!

My God, when you think of the people and the issues he’s picked on - beyond trivial - and the way he and Meghan have tried to destroy the character of Catherine who he was once so close to, and yet….not a squeak or a whisper about the appalling Uncle Andrew! This jumps out to me as utterly bizarre.

Harry rushed to deny he’d ever punched him too. I can’t stand Harry but I’d have cheered him on if he HAD decked Andrew.

Make it make sense!