Andrew to lose Duke of York title

[Flixon]

News banner from the Torygraph saying Andrew and Sarah are losing their titles. They will be ‘put into Abeyance’ Andrew also to lose the Order of the Garter. Sarah will be known as Sarah Ferguson, he retains ‘Prince’ as he is the son of HM QE2.

bloody good job !

In effect they have been removed regardless of the semantics.

He can’t use them and if he tried to do so in a few years then the next step would be to secure this via Parliament. Even Andrew isn’t that stupid.

There is no way back from this for him and it’s a neat solution that avoids additional bad PR if this was debated in The House of Commons.

I do however wonder at what pressure was brought to bear. Perhaps agreement that they will stop trying to turf him out of Royal Lodge?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/17/prince-andrews-fall-from-grace-complete-as-monarchy-cuts-him-loose?CMP=share_btn_url&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social_img&fbclid=IwY2xjawNgdP9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHs0Ac9EDMbv5w_7cfMzqezoeWmj3-6XhgY6Uftda34UqpkmjWcRZ3mSpKrgO_aem_0z2wsvbWhF5MjIEGb_N8-w

Analysis from The Guardian. Not very analytical but interesting that they are pretty restrained in what they have said.

Considering Harry made such a fuss about William and him allegedly falling into the dog bowl , you wonder what caused Harry to launch at Andrew and think that was ok.

I wonder how much life has changed for the people of Cambridge - gaining a Duke and Duchess, and then seemingly just losing them to Wales.

I don’t think anyone would minimise the human cost of the crimes that are being discussed. The point is as it stands PA has not been charged or convicted of anything, non of us know what the truth is and I believe that innocent until proven guilty is an absolute right whatever your social standing. As it stands I believe PA deserves that right just as much as the next person, whilst I understand the strength of feeling I do not think some of the vitriolic commentary is appropriate.

I'm basing the assumption that he's probably gay, or at least bisexual, having discussed it with a relative who's an actor (not really famous, but you'd probably recognise them on the tv or if you go to the theatre) who spent a lot of time working directly with Edward in the 80s when he was in the arts. I think they are very occasionally in touch today. It's not personal, I just don't think one large extended family should have a multimillionaire lifestyle funded- one way or another- by the taxpayer. It's not fair and also diverts funds from things like education, NHS, overseas aid etc.

Knew it.

The China spy / CPS / Select Committee investigation is huge. And it implicates the House of York.

I think some government ministers from the previous Conservative administration know more than they’ve been letting on to Kemi Badenoch, who has been flailing quite badly at PMQs as a result.

Yes there are definitely some political hot potatoes being thrown around.

I also have zero sympathy for him, he revels in humiliating others so I hope his humiliation hits him hard, he is so odious.
I hope his peers and family withdraw from him, he may think he has fallen on his sword and done the honourable thing but I doubt anyone else does.

@stillavid
“So how long until Andrew is shipped off to a remote cottage in the highlands I wonder.”

No thanks , not wanted !

He praised himself as being 'too honourable' in the Maitlis interview. Given his statement when he says he talked to his family and the wider family, perhaps they held a poll and it was 100% fuck off?!

I honestly don't think much will have changed for him. Yes, he can't stride about with his ghastly ex wife gurning, but he can still have his shooting weekends, live on a 98 acre estate and go riding on it, play golf and no doubt all the servants will still have to be oozingly deferential to him and he will carry on treating them with disdain like he always has.

I think this is a case of 'being seen to be doing something whilst not really doing anything much'

I agree with you. I think the man is utterly odious.

My point was that I think posters who think this action doesn’t go far enough, perhaps don’t appreciate just how much of a blow this will be for Andrew.

We may not understand or appreciate the “ranking” and kudos certain titles afford but Andrew absolutely does.

He won’t revel in still being a Prince. He will be enraged about the loss of his use of DoY.

It will be a massive blow to him and I am unashamedly pleased about that.

The accommodation issue is going to be more difficult to sort out with him living in the 30 room royal lodge. He signed the lease on that until 2078 I think, it’s not going to be a simple matter of KC getting him out. He is legally protected just like any other leaseholder.

(edit tenant to leaseholder)

So the message from PA,
“ Hope we can play again soon” to a convicted pedophile months after he claimed to have had no contact with him is not enough for you, he might not have been charged but he’s so far from innocent.

no doubt if he did, you would find a way for that to be wrong.

So sorry you were a victim of abuse 🌹..I hope the person was brought to justice. Sadly, I doubt A will be held to account ...no matter what the Royals do; they will never be held to account.

My understanding is that the terms of the lease require him to maintain the property to a specific standard.

This is not a cheap property to maintain and with his reputation in tatters his opportunities for grifting money make it likely he will default on his obligations sooner rather than later (a number of pictures of the exterior of Royal Lodge are in the public domain).

Put bluntly as soon as a big bill comes in such as a roof repair he’s probably buggered…unless part of the leverage of him giving up his titles was financial support to stay in situ.

Charles could remove the HRH and Prince title, then parliament could have removed his Dukedom.

Allowing it to get to the point of Parliament being involved would have inevitably raised the question of other titles.

I think the deal has basically been done along the lines of - drop the York, drop the HRH, lose the Garter, and you can keep the Prince title and your daughters can keep their princess titles otherwise it'll go to parliament, everyone's titles will be up for questioning and you'll lose York, HRH and a Prince completely and your children will as well.

The royals generally don't want titles being removed from people because it'll highlight that it can be done. Whilst Andrew is a very extreme case Charles will know that it could be any of them next - he was hated by large swathes of the public when Diana died and many would gladly have seen his titles removed and William bumped up a place for example.

A lot of my customers have central London crown estate leases within their property portfolios. It is not unusual for these properties to change hands annually, usually after an eye wateringly expensive refurb. Andrew could sell the lease back giving him a huge lump sum pension, move to more suitable accommodation 'Toe rag Hall' and feck off. Half the problem is he refuses to live outside the spotlight and within his means, he seems to think he is wealthy. Maybe an appearance in bankruptcy court would do him good.

Quite likely. But he is not 'giving up' his titles. He is just not using them so he cannot sign off emails to a sex trafficker Andrew, Duke of York, OG

He will be just Prince Andrew. Hardly a punishment in my eyes, but I imagine no dress up will hurt him. He loved those velvet robes, ermine and feathers

Yes. It’s believed he still has some support primarily his security is funded by KC. So it’s possible KC could threaten to reduce that somewhat, to apply further financial pressure.

I think it will be very interesting to see if Beatrice and Eugenie (the blood princesses!) do the Christmas walk. With husbands, with Beatrice's stepson like last year.

There is absolutely NO reason why they can't bow out. Surely that would be the sensible thing to do. That is what I would do, given the circs. But if they parade themselves with the rest of the royals, to me, that means they have as much brass neck as their parents.

It's catch 22 imagine the depths A would sink to for money, he has been for decades when he had access to money. Netflix would pay millions for that shit show and any number of bad actors gathering in the wings. The royal family either bow to blackmail or go full transparency and clean house. So far A is playing the game, if he decides to go full on scorched earth, they are all fucked.

I agree those comments appear at best misjudged, we don't know what was meant by that or the full context. However, I believe that someone is innocent until proven guilty and those words on their own do not justify the vilification in the press or the vitriolic commentary over the last 24 hours.

I'm sure he will be very grateful for your support.

Staying in touch with a convicted sex trafficker is awful. Lying about it to the great british public is disgusting. There is no 'innocent until proven guilty' with those two sentences of mine