Andrew to lose Duke of York title

[Flixon]

News banner from the Torygraph saying Andrew and Sarah are losing their titles. They will be ‘put into Abeyance’ Andrew also to lose the Order of the Garter. Sarah will be known as Sarah Ferguson, he retains ‘Prince’ as he is the son of HM QE2.

bloody good job !

Charles said 'whatever 'in love' means' - it was a comment on the cliched language of tabloid newspapers and the fatuousness of the question , not a reflection of his feelings for Diana at the time.

He didn't treat her well later on, and nor did she treat him well - it was a marriage made in hell - but he did nothing wrong in that interview.

I can attest to this-his house is at the top of the long walk on the opposite end of Windsor Castle-it is closed to cars except police/protection officers and groundskeepers etc.

And Andrew. He absolutely hares down-it is full of dogs and ppl walking and pushchairs and runners etc but he expects them to scatter in his presence. People are caught off guard as it is mostly pedestrianised.

He also has a creepy habit of still waving regally as he passes.
Recently drove by me and I was walking on the opposite side of the path from him-he literally leant over the passenger to wave out the window to me.
Just feels so tone deaf-does he think it is a treat for us??

Think this is just teeing up for the future.

William will remove by letters patent, the title of Prince and Princess for
-Andrew
-Beatrice and Eugenie ( but I think he will soften the blow by making them and their husbands Lady and Sir)
-Harry
-Archie and Lili

Either that, or he negotiates that all titles Inc Prince/Princess must fall into abeyance, otherwise he will formally strip them of it.

In a few years time, we could have Reform Government, I don’t think passing legislation to remove a Dukedom will be a problem if he needs to formally remove them.

I think they’re hoping by voluntarily giving them up, it will save the spectacle of stripping them. But Harry has no shame so he would probably have to be stripped.

Either way- once William is King, Harry is losing his titles.

So having gone to bed last night feeling happy that sweaty peado Andy has lost his titles, I've woken up feeling really fucking angry.

He's basically accused of corruption and sexual offences and has basically been told to sit on the naughty step. Am I missing something??

I yield to no one in my disgust at A and SF.

But where I differ is - I genuinely believe he is that old cliche , the black sheep of the family. Sure - he may have been enabled, deliberately or otherwise, by QE2, but I don’t think his siblings are anywhere near as bad. They may have their own peccadillos (much more forgivable) but Andrew is off the scale.

This can happen anywhere- I’ve seen it in families I know personally! The causes are psychologically fascinating though.

No because the uninhabited islands will be acting as bird sanctuaries and Andrew will try to kill them all on one of his straightforward shooting weekends.

#Justice4Puffins

royals are human , not sure why we expect life long perfection from them
I have speeding fines and my bonkers dog bit another dog

being friends with child molesters is obviously unforgivably

I agree with that .
And if I was Harry I would be a bit uneasy .

I hope PW is not stupid enough to strip H of his titles. nothing H has done can compare to what A has done.

Brilliant news.

Short of any real legal justice, this will have hit his fragile ego where it hurts most.

I have a feeling William had a big hand in this. Charles seems to be clearing the decks before passing things over to him.

I also suspect that once William takes the throne, he’ll be the one to strip the Prince and Princess titles from anyone who isn’t a direct child of the reigning monarch or heir (a la the Danish royal family).

It was a fatuous question. I started a thread about it once and few people can really say what 'being in love' means.
Diana's father spoke about her as if she were a brood mare. I get weary of 'the brood mare' cliche.

Completely agree.

I agree. Charles was “treated” badly too by the whole scenario of having to choose a suitable bride and being prevented in more than one case of marrying the woman of his choice.

Whatever pps might think of him, Charles has had shitty luck. He’s an idealist and wanted his reign to be useful, I think. Instead he’s had M and H creating mischief, his and his DIL’s cancer and now bloody Andrew to deal with. And none of it is over yet.

It was horrible for Diana but her own family sold her into slavery and are frankly more culpable than the RF in her fate.

Reputational damage to the RF comes in all shapes and forms. Just because he isn’t as awful as his uncle, doesn’t mean he is beyond reproach. He has cast the RF and the institution as racist and he did it for cash, there’s no coming back from that.

Harry isn’t a working royal and isn’t a resident of the UK. He will be stripped of his titles, as will others.

This is part of the slimmed down monarchy we are likely to see under William.

Exactly! Hence Harry’s sudden interest in visiting his father.

I don't think William will be doing any of that. Why on earth would he strip Beatrice and Eugenie of their titles? Their husbands and their children don't have any and they're obviously not angling for them, so what's the point?

Same with his brother. He may well issue letters patent for future siblings of monarchs, but I doubt it since his own "spare" kids are titled up with prince and princess.

This thread was about Andrew and anything Harry has done pales into total insignificance compared to Andrew and his ex wife Sarah.

I wish he would. Their Sussex title is meaningless. They’ve chosen to live in a republic which fought a war to be rid of precisely this stuff.

How those two can still use them is brazen, thick and tone deaf beyond belief.

But I guess the best policy might be to ignore them and let them carry on looking ridiculous.

This is part of the slimmed down monarchy we are likely to see under William.

Having heard about a 'slimmed down monarchy' for decades, I doubt it. The money will keep rolling in because I doubt they will adjust the % for the SG in a slimmed down monarchy. It's far more slimmed down than it was and the SG is going up 54% this coming year.

Because titles in future will be reserved for working royals and those closer to the Monarch.

We all know the Monarchy is to be slimmed down. That in part will be achieved by the removal of titles. It also ensures a path to remove Harry and his kids titles, who shouldn’t be using titles as they live in the US.

For William, I doubt he is concerned about the money.

I can believe William might strip Harry and his line of any titles he is able to, because Harry is a bringer of unwelcome publicity.

I think if Beatrice and Eugenie keep their heads down, as they have been doing, they'll be left alone. I've never heard either of them say or do anything controversial. The hat Beatrice wore at William's wedding in 2012 caused ridicule but she handled it well and with good humour by auctioning it afterwards for charity.

Really? I suppose when you are a billionaire it all becomes irrelevant. And he will be a double one (or more) when Charles pops off.

He needs to be concerned about the amount of the SG when he inherits his slimmed down monarchy because it is a joke.

Charles said 'whatever 'in love' means' - it was a comment on the cliched language of tabloid newspapers and the fatuousness of the question , not a reflection of his feelings for Diana at the time.

Nah, don't try to spin it

It was a completely unnecessary, callous comment. Heartbreaking for any fiancée to hear, and deeply humiliating for Diana to be told that in front of, literally, the world. Charles came across as cruel, heartless and out of touch.

I totally agree. It was dismissive and unpleasant and I have no idea why he would say that