Andrew to lose Duke of York title

[Flixon]

News banner from the Torygraph saying Andrew and Sarah are losing their titles. They will be ‘put into Abeyance’ Andrew also to lose the Order of the Garter. Sarah will be known as Sarah Ferguson, he retains ‘Prince’ as he is the son of HM QE2.

bloody good job !

Like the Duke of Windsor (nazi sympathiser) the title will be retired.

You are clearly not understanding this at all!

And this recent move might be incentive for them to watch how they behave in the future.

Yes they definitely had to do something decisive, even in PR terms, about Andrew. China and Epstein are not going away.

Drowned in a vat of Malmsey? Wasn't he Duke of Clarence rather than York? Or did he have both titles?

Please please please let this happen.

Sadly I doubt it. As I have said elsewhere, parliament or the Government in situ will not touch it because of how the public love the royals. It's all really pathetic

We can never move on a country with this. And that's not saying we need a republic. I think we need a reset with the Monarchy. Huge changes

It will revert to the crown on his death, and yes I expect it to them disappear. Going forward i expect any new royal Dukedoms to no longer be hereditary, as the King decided with Edinburgh. Mind you they might just give up on them altogether going forward.

The dukedom doesn’t come with any benefits apart from the name and status - no money or land. So not being able to use it makes it useless to him.

I think this does two things as a first step.

Signals that Andrew is not considered above the law and protected by the Crown inner circle under this monarch and next, unlike the last. (Which is both a warning to Andrew and a message to those investigating him)

It also signals that anyone can have titles and positions removed if they take action which are damaging the to the monarchy. (Which is a warning to anyone using their Royal titles and status for side hustles that could damage the monarchy)

It’s like trying to turn an ocean liner making changes to old institutions like the monarchy - but this is definitely the start of a turn.

oh god yes. He lives for this. But let us never ever see him again decked out in velvet berets or curtain tiebacks.

I never want to see his or his annoying ex wife's stupid face again.

Ingrid Seward on the BBC is verging on being an Andrew apologist. She isn't reading the room very well.

I'm not holding my breath.

Those vaults will stay very firmly sealed until they're reduced to nothing but research for our future historians.

Scandalous in its own right.

Let's face it... he will never go to prison. The worst he will have is house arrest. No prison will be deemed "safe" so he would be coddled anyway.

Thank you. Yes. Agree.

It's a move. Maybe a small one but something

Yes, it will work as a warning shot for anyone who is trying to use titles for profit going forward. Charles and William together are much tougher than the late Queen was

To me the main point is how much it will matter to him. It’s a clear statement that no one , not even his brother, believes he is innocent. He’s a sleazy entitled man who has lived his whole life thinking nothing can touch him. This shows that he can be devalued. I think we will never again see a photo of him with William - him pushing himself to the front at the Duchess of Kent’s funeral was just shameless.

I'm not holding my breath either. Very frustrating.

Oh and H & M are disloyal and disrespectful but they are not criminals. It’s not the same thing at all, much as I dislike the pair of them

I don't think he would be in this position if he had shown a bit of humility after the late Queen removed him from official duties. Instead he took every chance to pitch himself forward.

In other words he had made it easy for them.

Working royals (apart from the heir’s family which has a separate fund) are paid their ‘wages’ from the Duchy of Lancaster which is controlled by the King.

Travel expenses for their working engagements are paid by the Sovereign Grant which is overseen by the government but managed by the King.
Edward presumably had inherited money from his grandparents and parents over the years and will have been managed in investment funds. Unlike Andrew and Sarah they don’t seem to have been big spenders.

I think folks are getting caught up in semantics, the titles are no longer his to use, he won’t be using them, the fact they haven’t been removed by parliament is irrelevant, he can’t use them. Charles is just letting him back out and own it, but it’s like Harry and hrh, he can’t use it, even if he wanted to. Andrew can’t use his, Sarah can’t use hers. The rest is just admin. The fact they exist in abeyance is simply admin, he cannot use them. It serves the same purpose as removing by parliament, there is no need for that, he’s lost the use of all his titles. Except prince.

he has lost the use of all his titles and Sarah has lost hers. For ever. The girls maintain theirs, as they are not to blame in the sins of their scummy parents.

Sometimes nuance and implication matter. This is one!

Jenny Bond appears to loathe him. She seemed quite chirpy about the news 😂.

I also wonder about his Counsellor of State role. If it's removed (more formal process) who would be bumped up the list?

If someone’s the sort of pompous a-hole that uses a title, and thinks titles matter, it makes a difference.

It’s a bad situation, Harry and Megan out, Andrew and Sarah out. Beatrice and Eugenie non working . Edward does sod all. Sophie does a bit, Anne does a lot, none of their kids working royals either, it’s a small group of working royals, until the Wales’s kids grow up, marry and have kids,