Meghan’s new insta feed

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Meghan has just popped a video clip of herself in the back of a limo with her feet up travelling through the streets of Paris. Is this rather insensitive given the way her MIL died or is it perfectly normal to post such stuff?

I don't think the Palace is too bothered about the commercial stuff, at least not enough to withdraw titles. If the funding around charities does turn out to be questionable, that might be different.

I think what they might feel worth censuring, if anything, are the times when the Sussexes risked bringing the monarchy into disrepute. So, the accusation (later withdrawn) of racism - which had potential diplomatic implications, and the rants around the security legal cases, where Harry was accusing the King of being unconstitutional.

I don't think William will necessarily strip the Dukedom from Harry - but this is definitely a warning shot. He could make it non-inheritable, I know it wasn't created as such, but the last week shows things can and do change.

I could see him doing new Letters Patent which would restrict the Prince/cess titles to only those of the direct heir, and not their children. And could make that retrospective which would affect Archie and Lili. It happened in Denmark, and despite an initial furore from those it impacted it went down well nationally & internationally. Archie & Lili are cute little kids just now, but in 10+ yrs when theyre teens who have (likely) never set foot in the UK or been pictured with the BRF it would be seen as a very sensible move. Especially with them being Americans. It does look like big changes are afoot which should be very pleasing to those who want the Monarchy to be more like the European models.

As for Meghan monetising her title - it's emblazoned all over the As ever website, she's introduced as Duchess of Sussex in everything she does - from NF shows, podcasts, award speeches etc. Even when it's done at award ceremonies when she's being presented with something that monetising the title. Same as when she appeared at PFW and the reports described her as DoS. She's selling herself on the back of her Royal title.

I don't know how she can stop that in newspaper/media reports, but she can stop doing it on podcasts, NF, her own websites which would be a start.

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The accusation of racism was never withdrawn though.

Harry mumbled something about 'unconscious bias' and 'the British media' but the accusations made on Oprah and in Scobie's book, which can't have happened without the imput of the Sussexes, are still out there.

I think the King and William are far more concerned about any use of HRH, which is the royal 'trademark' rather than the empty peerage titles. It's tacky and inappropriate for Meghan to use them for her business, but I agree that they're likely not that bothered by it.

Sure…..you just looked it up.

But, Anne, Edward and Harry are the same as Charlotte and Louis - children of the monarch / future monarch.

So I think it would be done very difficult to take titles away from Anne, Edward and Harry and leave Charlotte and Louis with theirs.

Especially as Anne and Edward work pretty hard for the monarchy!

I do think they could maybe restrict titles to “working royals” only though. So Charlotte and Louis could keep their titles at the moment - but if when they are older they decide to do their own thing, then their titles disappear.

I do think they could maybe restrict titles to “working royals” only though. So Charlotte and Louis could keep their titles at the moment - but if when they are older they decide to do their own thing, then their titles disappear.

Then they're not royal titles.

Prince and Princess titles are given on the basis of your family proximity to the monarch. Not on what you do for a living. Interfere in that and you question the whole basis of the monarchy. Which might not be a bad thing in principle, but obviously not something the royals would want to do. Even in the 'slimmest' European monarchies, titles do not come and go based on the owner's current occupation. It would set a dangerous precedent for any royal house.

Lets see how quickly the Sussex family hot foot it back to the UK for vacations and to re establish ‘their connections’ with the Royals and British public in a PR exercise to make it look like they are deserving of their British titles.

its reminiscent of their disclosure on Oprah when Harry said Meghan asked him is they could lose their security and he reassured her it would never happen!

’Aitch, they will never take away our titles, will they?’ Never Meg, not possible’

‘Err sorry Meg looks like I was wrong again!! I think we now need to clean up our house and you just have to bite the bullet with my family and my country if you want to keep the title, think of all the stationery, doormats and bags we would need to get rid of, and think of the poor children, being reduced to plain old Archie Mountbatten Windsor Sussex and, god help us, but
Lilibeth Mountbatten Windsor Sussex.

Would love to be a fly on their wall as Harry is desperately trying to get in touch with the men in grey to figure out where he stands!

There are ways around it. It could be applied retrospectively, or limited to children of the current monarch. People say that would be unprecedented, but it’s really not. The rules change all the time. The 1917 Letters Patent redefined who could be Prince or Princess, and the Queen amended it again in 2012 so all of William’s kids got princely titles, not just George as per the 1917 decree (hence why the then Cambridge children were titled but the Sussexes weren’t).

I do hope William won’t go in for a spate of title stripping and then say “Look how I’m slimming down the RF!” and call it a day- sidestepping any investigation/scrutiny/oversight of financial arrangements. Which is, frankly, what actually matters.

I think I was thinking more of the titles - Duke of this, Duchess of that - rather than prince or princess, which I see more akin to Mr or Mrs iyswim.

But equally Prince & Princess I think should definitely be restricted to children of the monarch/future monarch. Beatrice and Eugenie should never have been titled Princesses imo (I don’t blame them, it’s not their fault they had awful parents). Same for Archie and Lilibet.

It’s hilarious isn’t it, all their fans have descended on this thread, all in denial and terrified that William will take their titles away! Better get used to it guys!

This bears repeating

Harry is done. Every title he has, will go. But it won’t be done as punishment, it will be under the guise of the new monarchy only uses titles for those that serve the British public.
That easily sorts out his security issues- as a commoner he won’t need police protection in the UK. His visa status will change, so he could apply for American citizenship to sort any issues.

I think the King and William are far more concerned about any use of HRH, which is the royal 'trademark' rather than the empty peerage titles.

That makes sense - and HRH could easily be restricted to 'working royals'.

Isn’t “those that serve the British Public” a bit hard to define?

Working royals?

The late Queen and KC might not have minded, William on the other hand…..

Anne and Edward are working royals so a title is appropriate.

I thought you were a republican? You should be cheering William on in removing titles surely? 🤔

It’s really not complicated.

'Prince' is not a job. As Harry is finding out.

But maybe it should be. Only people who do the job Prince should be able to use the title.

And the job of Prince/ Princess is only available to children of the monarch.

So it is still hereditary. But also optional. This would allow those who want to follow their own path to be free to do so and those who wish to take on the hereditary role open to them to do so.

But you don't get to be a waste of space ego maniac living in luxury doing nothing for your country while calling yourself Prince.

I really don't think it should be a big deal removing Beatrice and Eugenies titles. Their cousins don't have them and seem to manage fine.

I always thought it must be a bit awkward when they're around zara and Louise being called princess and their cousins aren't.
They are only princesses as their parents were dickheads who want all the goodies.
Like Archie and Lili.

Sensible parents in both cases would have declined prince and princess titles for their kids.

I just think it would be very easy to do a cosmetic job-removing titles is easier than reviewing finances. Happy for titles to go-happier for sunlight on the money.

You are absolutely right.

George VI also issued new Letters Patent when Elizabeth and Phillip married to give any children they had the titles of Prince and Princess. Otherwise the 1917 Letters Patent wouldn’t have given them titles, as although they were the grandchildren of the sovereign (and directly in line for the throne) they would be through the female line and so not Prince/ss.

Oh, so “those that serve the British people” just means “working royal” I thought it sounded a bit more specific.