Harry's dirty laundry - thread 2

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I hope it's OK to start a new thread after the last one filled up

I have just read another article ( laid up with Covid so time on my hands) saying that the Met provided security for the Wellchild awards due to the high number of children but that was it and Harry felt abandoned afterwards .
I don’t know why certain papers are suddenly pro H and M but I suppose it gets people reading and talking . Thing is the vast majority of comments are highly critical of H and M.
I too feel for William . He is going to have to deal with both the Andrew and Harry situations.

In all seriousness, I think it cuts both ways. Nobody wants to get the wrong side of Meghan Markle, Harry included. She could take everything away from him in an instant and he knows that. He also has this ridiculous saviour complex, which she encourages.

She has to keep him happy because it wouldn’t do for him to question whether his life is actually as fulfilling as he publicly claims. I think a restless and unoccupied Harry would not be great company.

PP family and childhood was tragic. QE2 also trauma of a different kind with abdication scandal and her and her parents being pivoted into a life they hadn’t planned.

Would also say that so many of H’a aunts/uncles alongside his own parents divorcing during his childhood would have been quite unusual.

Always wonder if W&H ever socialised with Spencer cousins - or are they wrong ages?

PP had a horrendous childhood, but he was rock solid by his wife's side. He also managed to keep good relationships with his extended family neices / nephews inc the King of Spain.

Who knows what sort of relationships William and Harry have with the Spencers, but yes that family is a disaster zone.

But yes I absolutely feel for William.

This ⬆️.
I don't remember Philip ever whinging about his dysfunctional family, his bad luck or his traumatic teenage years.

The media was always going to pivot. It’s what they do. W did a good job handling Andrew at the funeral. The smug little toad was standing there laughing and joking at a funeral and W didn’t even glance at him.

Certain papers are benefiting from information from H&M. They're clearly choosing particular outlets for their PR campaign.

If I was one of the long standing republican posters on these threads I would be rubbing my hands together with glee. This couldn’t be going any better for them.

Absolutely this! Plus they can’t be trusted, they make a mockery of the RF if they could continue to do so. Hopefully if it’s anything it’ll be a family connection only, no RF business, but how that would work who knows so probably best leaving the spiteful vengeful manipulative narcissists to boil in their own juices not giving them anything to use as a weapon

I really feel for William - that article is pretty staggering, and if there’s any truth in it then Charles is a bloody idiot.

I do understand he may want to reconcile with Harry privately, as a father that’s more than reasonable. But trying to rehabilitate Harry back into the royal fold is ridiculous. As is the suggestion that somehow Harry’s “less irritating” to Charles than William. Harry who, even this year has claimed that the establishment want harm to come to him and his family, that Charles is in it up to his neck, and professed zero remorse or regret for any of his words or actions over the last 5 years.

compare that to William who’s only crime may be spending less time on royal duties - opinions on that may vary, but I’m inclined to cut him some slack given his wife has gone through a serious illness and cancer treatment, and if there’s any truth in the rumours that Charles might not have that long left, might understandably want to spend more time with his family before taking on the role of King himself.

The suggestion that William is the unreasonable one not to forgive and accept Harry back is mind blowing to me, it’s coercion and gaslighting at its finest.

I did also note that Harry had agreed not to overshadow Trump’s visit and as a consequence had given all the Sussex team two days off - I mean wtf? It’s not as if he’s that busy nor in the news on a daily basis anyway so surely it’s hardly a difficult matter to avoid releasing anything on two days particularly after you’ve just had a PR intensive blitz in the UK anyway!

I really hope this is just baiting from Harry’s side, but I really feel for William and Catherine who appear to be being scapegoated by the media in favour of Harry right now.

I agree wholeheartedly @elessar . I thought Garry agreed to keep quiet following his cup of tea with his father ?
He simply cannot be trusted .

Well with the Spencer family, H&M tried using them too in their vengeful fury …. Can we ‘use’ your surname …. Eeeerrrrr no! FO!

It's so ignorant, as well. They're eroding confidence in the Head of State and his heir, who are part of the UK Constitution. Certain countries must be happy about this. H&M are very foolish not to see a big picture.

I think many republicans hitched their wagon to the H&M train, somehow believing that this couple would live without titles and challenge the monarchy.
It's turned out that they're more royal than the official royals, with the titles and the monogrammed stationery and the faux royal tours. Irony.

I'm laughing at the idea that a pic posted by the Sussexes in their garden would somehow knock the Trump visit to the UK off the front page. Who thinks up this rubbish? 😂

I think it's fascinating, the Sussexes have such an inflated idea of their own significance and importance. I suppose they've lived for the headlines for so long and been controversial for so many years, it's probably hard for them to pull back from that now, and the belief that they're very important.

Courtiers in both households? What am I reading in the DM? Harry has " courtiers" in California?

The Mail have been targeting William for a while now. They are not stupid enough to go after Catherine but I do wonder what is behind it. Even if Charles is inclined to do something with Harry I can't see his advisors thinking it's a good idea, half in half out is still a bad idea. Things had actually started to settle down and now the press are behaving as if Harry has an important contribution to make. Weird.

I know someone who witnessed KCIII doing similar unpublicised visits when he was PoW. As did Diana. Both gave William a good example and I think his work on homelessness has far more behind the scenes work than most of the public realise.

I think Catherine, and her family, have been a great addition to the RF as a whole and specifically for William. There is very clearly a shift in informality for many engagements and yet they know how and when to take a formal role.

Charlotte Griffiths, who wrote that article, is one of the DM writers sympathetic to the Sussexes who regularly runs items sourced directly from them (the other is Bryony Gordon).

18 months ago (Feb 2024) the DM ran an article saying that the King had advised Prince William to spend time with his family now, as he had plenty of time in the future to do all the 'royal' stuff. Now they are criticising William. They say what they think will get them readers. I've no idea if either story is true.

I would love to hear what some of our resident PR people think of what is going on.

Edit to say: I haven't seen @GivemeSpanakopita for a while - is she still about? And I think @IdaGlossop has PR knowledge too

The only reason its a good idea to get H back on board is lack of Senior Royals

Charles has treatment thats buying him time.
Camilla has pulled out a few things on health grounds and 80 or there abouts
Ann is also pushing 80
A few years left in Edward & Sophie
William is going to need to cover for Charles
Catherine still recovering from treatment and wants to be on hand for her kids.

Next generation are too young.
Although I think W would be inclined to turn to his cousins the same as his Gran did.

I din't think Harry can be a working Royal again - particularly given his rants about the King (accusing him of unconstitutional behaviour) and his stunt in Ukraine around Zelensky.

No government could depend on him.

This ⬆️. He cannot be trusted to represent the Head of State and the UK government.

😂😂😂
Of course he does! He has a Communications Team as well 😂!

The mail don’t like it that W&C are private and don’t feed the press.
Even their official photos are released now directly from their own social media accounts.