Harry's dirty laundry - thread 2

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I hope it's OK to start a new thread after the last one filled up

Oh me too! Swaggering up the aisle like that. So disrespectful. Then whinging about his treatment to that poor cousin. No self reflection whatsoever.

Exactly. This wasn't about putting his name to something, or getting a headline. It was about making a difference for the future.

I wonder how much time Archie spent with his Windsor family before the freedom flight? I doubt there was much interaction with The Cambridge's in those 6-7 months and not sure there would have been much more with the then PC as H&M were plotting their departure by then and it sounds as if all family and professional relationships had more or less imploded by then.

The only other time PC would have met the Sussex grandchildren would have been during the Jubilee three years later and certainly from the official programme H&M were very much sidelined so I doubt there was much additional private interaction alongside. I assume PC met A&L at Lilis first birthday party?

It was known that KC3 used to FT the children or at least he did on one occasion (75th bday?) because even though it was a private call - PH blabbed / boasted about it immediately to the press which enraged KC3. Very delicate and volatile these family reconciliations.

Just to add to the excellent comments upthread, William must be painfully aware of the damage that could be done if friendships between his children and A&L were encouraged and then it all went horribly wrong - eg books, interviews, going NC etc. It doesn't bear thinking about really!

I can’t imagine there would be much contact . H and M refused to go to Balmoral, they had their trip to Africa and a holiday with Elton so possibly weren’t around much before they went to Canada .
W and C would either be in Amner House or Balmoral over the summer.

I think Camilla has decades of understanding Charles and ensuring he is not being manipulated. She will give him wise counsel about how to deal with Harry.

Interesting doc on C5 right now called - The Kings 5 Grandchildren

I strongly suspect a lot of this is the media just trying to keep the story going, bluegreygreen, especially at a time when Harry's not saying very much (whether as part of a "deal" with his family there's no way of knowing)
Not unlike Harry himself they can spin on a sixpence, and when a new story's chosen it's as if the old one never happened

Or maybe it's wishful thinking and I'm just trying to kid myself there's no way the family would allow him to return ...

One thing I was going to say on the last thread, before it filled up.

I kept reading comments blaming Meghan for the fact that the children don't come here. I haven't seen any actual evidence that she is stopping Harry bringing the children over. All I read is Harry saying it's not safe, Harry saying his father won't meet him, Harry saying he wants to show his children the UK.

I'm sure Megan is far happier living in her own culture and probably doesn't have much interest in coming over here but I do believe that Harry is the main obstacle to the children coming over for a visit. He is using the children as leverage now his security case has failed.

I agree, @MrsLeonFarrell. Although she obviously hated royal life she seems to have enjoyed the Soho House lifestyle and I think the HIHO they envisaged included some part of their year in the UK. I’m betting there will be a shift to the Cotswolds at some point and the kids parked in boarding schools.

I can’t see that myself as my impression is that she was only interested in the UK to source professional opportunities for her post Suits career. I think that when she arrived to the BRF with her agent, lawyer, accountant and Sunshine Sachs in tow all still looking for deals etc it indicated that she was never planning on staying - just how she could milk the opportunity to get her back to Cali. Her Soho house thing started in Toronto when she was erroneously invited to the opening of that new venture before meeting PH - and she networked her way into a friendship with the membership/events guy.

I don’t think she is very culturally interested in anything beyond a basic Cali lifestyle set up.

I also suspect that once she realised she had given birth in the UK and if things soured between her and PH she could be stuck on one side of the pond for 18 years - she made it a mission to get back to her comfort zone in US.

I also think that the surreal situation she found herself in at BP where the walls have ears would have spooked her out specifically as someone highly manipulative who was used to presenting a different face to different people. Here she was effectively exposed which would have thrown her totally.

@jonthebatiste
Not sure you can say he comes from two generations worth of fractured families.
Yes his parents marriage was a shambles, and who knows what happened on his maternal grandparents side, but his paternal grandparents were solid and married for decades.

Meghan is a chancer & manipulator. If they all come back, it will be because she sees an advantage to her.

I can’t see how they will make money if they return to the UK or how they will afford school fees unless Charles helps or leaves them a large inheritance.

If they return they would be dependent on William for money .

I simply cannot see Meghan returning to the U.K. I also cannot see Harry being a working Royal again . How could he be trusted ? Imagine him and Meghan meeting Trump !

Undoubtedly, although that advantage might be that it keeps her husband happy. Also, since there’s already a cohort of American celebrities who have gone before them, a move to the Cotswolds, even a part time or short term one, might not feel so alien or isolating.

It would cost them a lot less to impress, the titles could do the heavy lifting and they could rent out the Montecito place for squillions.
You never know, it could work.

I’m no Mystic Meg but I was one of those posters predicting a move to the US long before it happened so I just say watch this space.

Someone is leaking ….

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15118105/King-Harry-meet-regularly-royal-aides-plan-unity-public-appearance-six-years-cards.html

I get the impression @Ohpleeeease that it is Harry who tries to keep Meghan happy !

I can see him alone back as a working royal but never while hes with Meghan.

Together they will never be trusted. I'm sure lack of trust is the reason the last twice Harry has seen his Dad visits have been limited to less than an hour.

I've just had a weird thought. Is H planning to try and get his kids into the same school as the Wales children?
Obviously George is nearly secondary aged but there must only be a couple of years between Louis and Archie?

Never thought of that! I can’t see H ever being a working Royal again. He clearly hated it and he’s lost
all respect from the British public not to mention his own family. It would just never work. I wonder if Harry does try to do that whether W and K would send their children elsewhere. I imagine that the Head of whatever school the Wales children are at would never agree anyway. They would know that a media circus would follow and William would be very displeased. They won’t want to risk that.

Honestly I feel sorry for William.

I do too. Whatever is going on is certainly not in Williams interests. He has seemed quite pensive lately and maybe this is all weighing quite heavily on him.

Wow, someone hates William...

Me too!

Harry did a few charity events which weren't exactly well publicised. The thing hyped by the papers was the Charles meeting which he came out of looking like thunder. The Daily Mail is like Harry's Cheer team at the moment. Are they the paper he still has a court case with? All the time whining that W&C are "boring" which is laughable.

The Guardian are also championing Harry's cause.

The Daily Express by contrast is providing a bit of balance.

Givemespanokopita was right. The HIHO PR at least for Harry is ramping up.