As ever/WLM2- puts the boasting into hosting

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Continuing the on from the As ever thread

• Funny article from Jan Moir

https://archive.ph/UfTPx

• Turns out Chrissy wasn’t the only known bully that Meg invited onto the show. David Chang has serious anger issues and has bullied staff

https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/tvfilm/meghan-markle-s-shameless-pr-stunt-with-david-chang-is-disgusting-b1244549.html

• Megs new show hasn’t appeared in the Top ten on NF in the UK or US, which she had done for the first series. NF aren’t promoting it other that in the ‘new this week’ section. You also have to scroll along to find it.

• No stock sold out yet

I think you're right.
Plus, the people I'm thinking of - children of the Yorkshire Ripper, Holocaust survivors, Malala Yousifsai, for example, had terrible ordeals, but fought to have a normal life, and have worked hard to get past it and to create a positive life.
I once spoke to a man who had been a child in Auschwitz. I can't imagine anything worse. He was determined to forge a new, positive life, and he did.

Yes, I always think about Nelson Mandela, when he walked free, saying "I realised that, if I didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind, I'd still be in prison."

Excellent points, @Butteredtoast55 .
Mandela recognised how to be free, and how to reconcile.
It was something of an achievement after Robben Island.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15064745/Meghan-Markle-Netflix-Ever.html#

On the Richard Osmond podcast- they predict As ever will fade away as NF doesn’t even have it in their stores

I’m being grumpy. As you explain it that makes perfect sense. And if I think about it, my son has his grandfather’s name although he died before either of us was born so it was more a matter of coincidence. I think it meant something to my mother that her father’s name was in the family.

So I do get it really but even allowing for Diana’s iconic status it feels overly sentimentalised to encourage (any of) the children to address her directly.

I think there's a risk that the Sussexes are fetishing Diana - all those accounts of having Diana's picture by the pregnancy test, the performance of Meghan at the grave etc
I don't think that's healthy. I don't know what the Wales family do, but I showed my children pictures of their grandma and have talked about her in a positive way. I think there is a boundary that the Sussexes have crossed.
When my son was at primary school, they made cards for grandparents. My son didn't have a grandparent, so made one for my aunt. I think it's possible not to be too sentimental, or impact your children negatively.

Such wise words

Especially as he is Chief Impact Officer (and rumoured to earn $1 million a year for the gig) to the mh/coaching company Better Up

Fetishing solely to monetise, courtesy of MM. Did PH do all this Diana stuff before he met MM?

I think it's too late. They already do fetishise Diana. The stuff Harry wrote in Spare was beyond creepy and basically wrote his brother out of their mother's history.

It's why an "documentary" they do will be a Saint Diana hagiography rather than exploring the complexity of who she was.

Very true.

The Wales children wrote Mother’s Day messages to “Granny Diana” which were published in various newspapers. I’m not going to quote them because they were written by children, and I’m not focusing my comments on them. I just feel uncomfortable about the way the adults in their lives are encouraging them to have this contrived relationship with a ghost.

Perhaps it would bother me less if the Mountbatten-Windsors hadn’t done it in such a crass way, but it seems unfair to criticise them and not acknowledge that the Waleses have also engaged in similar.

I don't think that the Wales' weaponise Diana, nor fetishise her to the extraordinary extent we have seen by H&M in "Spare", the Netflix documentary, and various interviews. I understand that it's something that the Sussexes can monetise, and frame a narrative around. They have turned being victims into a personal cottage industry. Diana is part of that. I think it's dishonest and deeply problematic.
I don't think we should have seen the Wales children's Mother's Day cards to Granny Diana. It's possible that they were trying to wrest the Diana narrative from the Sussexes. They won't really, because I doubt they're prepared to stoop as low as Harry and Meghan. They certainly won't sell her.

I agree it was a pity the Wales family put the card to Diana in the public domain. I can understand them wanting to keep her memory alive in private. Aside from the fact that she was William's mother, and it is always sad when a much loved mother can't meet our children, I'm sure William wants them to learn about Diana from him not the press. How else can they know the Diana he knew not the weird saint the press created in the aftermath of her death

Although I didn’t agree with publishing that card , I think it might have been an attempt by William to remind people that Diana had 2 sons .

If he did I've got no memory of it, Madchest, but isn't his narrative that he'd bottled it all up and that Meghan "saved him" by identifying it as a control/moneymaking thing encouraging him to speaak out?

I think a doc on the complexity of who she really was - her own hideously traumatic childhood seen with the benefit of hindsight and our understanding today of the emotional development of children leading to a lifetime of entrenched poor MH suffering, poor choices, vulnerability to engaging / staying in abusive and dysfunctional relationships, limitations this understandably puts on being a stable partner, friend, mother etc. I don’t say this as a criticism of her - as I have had a similarly very challenging and damaging childhood which didn’t equip me to be at my best relationally as a young adult in friendships, intimate relationships and as a mother.

A nice touch would be to use the expertise Catherine has collated through her early years programme and to reflect on the generational trauma this passed down to W&H and show how now W&C and H&M have used this insight to manage their own MH and behaviours to break the generational chain so that G,C & L, as well as A&L don’t have to be burdened with a poor emotional environment in childhood leading to risks of chronic MH issues in adulthood.

Thats the sort of doc I would like to see - to show other how insight and responsibility can save yourself and your DCs

I agree with this.

I think a proper, sensitively handled documentary about Diana would have it's place. Unfortunately I don't think the combination of NF and H&M would be the right one. The other problem with documentaries is that you are at the mercy of the editorial team and can be misquoted.

@Madchest apologies I missed your edit before I posted.

I like the idea of including some of Catherine's early years insights. I do think it's important that we highlight that safeguarding issues aren't the preserve of those born into poverty (although that's not to say we shouldn't be looking to eradicate child poverty). That said I wouldn't want to include any of the children (Wales or Sussex) as that would invade their privacy. A discussion in vague terms around strategies would be acceptable.

Yes this is what I meant - no using the DCs - just appropriate parenting. It would also ‘prove’ a reconciliation and be very inspiring. Maybe KC3 & QC could add their reflections as well - surely if they all have common ground as the priority of their DCs emotional health they could all work together. It would be great for the monarchy to show they are human and money doesn’t insulate them from tragedy and being accountable to yourself taking ownership to do the very hard yards for your own personal healing is the only way through. It would be a gift to the nation if they were able to show this.

It would be a gift to the nation if they were able to show this.

You certainly have a very active imagination.

The RF can't ever do such a documentary - the only recourse is 'never complain, never explain.' People would misinterpret, willfully misunderstand and it would end up being a disaster .

Plus, they are still humans , I wouldn't want my families failing to be digested by the world.

You see I don’t see families failing - I see many families struggling to recognise the hand they were dealt. Operating in hurt, unhealed and emotionally unhealthy and reactive ways that just exacerbates issues. We have moved so much over the last generations in our understanding it would be refreshing to put stuff in context in a non defensive non blaming emotionally mature and constructive way.

That would be lovely. However , I doubt very much whether Harry can manage that.

No thanks, I really don’t want to see the royal family bearing their thoughts on the psychiatrist’s couch for the world to eat up and spit out, can’t think of anything worse.

Very much agree, BigWillyLittleTodger