As ever/WLM2- puts the boasting into hosting

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Continuing the on from the As ever thread

• Funny article from Jan Moir

https://archive.ph/UfTPx

• Turns out Chrissy wasn’t the only known bully that Meg invited onto the show. David Chang has serious anger issues and has bullied staff

https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/tvfilm/meghan-markle-s-shameless-pr-stunt-with-david-chang-is-disgusting-b1244549.html

• Megs new show hasn’t appeared in the Top ten on NF in the UK or US, which she had done for the first series. NF aren’t promoting it other that in the ‘new this week’ section. You also have to scroll along to find it.

• No stock sold out yet

I think the novelty has probably already worn off even for the superfans. There's only so much excitement you can generate for flower sprinkles or watery fruit 'spreads' after all.

And other than said superfans, it's hard to see who her potential market might be. She is selling boring generic products which can be bought for much less at any supermarket. Who is going to pay over the odds and wait for delivery for crepe mix or marmalade, just because a duchess has put her name to it?

Penthouse 🤣

She’s a non native speaker of English and is fluent to a very high level - but penthouse got her 🤣

The issue is, even if he does keep the conversation to the weather, Harry can claim anything was said - and the King isn't going to be able to deny, as he won't get into a public argument with Harry.

Because she wanted to faff around in Windsor Castle and was told no. She was allegedly told by the Queen to not pick on a gardener so faffing around in the royal gardens was out. She didn't like any of Harry's friends, so lots of possible socializing was out. She also allegedly has no interest in art, theater, classical music or baking, which eliminates a lot of possible ways to spend time and meet people. If she had stayed in the UK, they should just have had her visit farmers markets and open air markets. She apparently likes those.

Well except that it seems she can’t cook by her own admission, even though she’s hosting a cookery programme!

She can buy the produce. Others can cook it.

Exactly, bluegreygreen, so while I doubt there are many left who'd trust Harry's account of anything we'd better hope that it really is just media rumour, or if not that Charles has the sense to keep him well away

My take on M’s views about being royal is not that she was ill prepared or supported.

I think she was arrogant in thinking she would have total agency over a lifestyle that was (lavishly) funded in recognition of the service and constraints the working royals are expected to adhere to.

That she would get to pick the causes and events and the schedule. The freebies, jewellery and grace and favour residences.

She presumed she’d be her own CEO when in fact she was just a pretty mid ranking “employee” of The Firm whose influence was negligible and where the scope to throw away long standing tradition and rules was none existent.

As soon as she realised that “M doesn’t get what M wants” she started planning her exit.

I think people would now be unlikely to believe a word Harry says. Considering that such a simple phrase as 'recollections may vary' was so brilliantly successful in casting doubt on the nonsense they spout, I think a similar response would be enough for most people to realise Harry is bullshitting.

I agree that this is a real possibility. The RF is a pretty unique institution, steeped in history and tradition, there are many uk citizens who have grown up watching them and royal events and don't understand all the protocols but what we do know is that most of them are pretty much set in stone . Meghan either just didn't understand this or wilfully ignored it , thinking she could carry on as she pleased.

I agree with PP that Harry's credibility is shot. If he is a blabbermouth about any meeting that takes place, he'll simply lose what little good opinion he has left. As long as Charles has no thoughts about bringing Harry back into the fold, and I doubt he does given William's likely views on the subject, the occasional private meet up would likely mainly benefit the RF.

There are many parents in Britain who at least half blame Charles for the estrangement and they can't imagine not prioritising contact with their child above everything else. It also might look hypocritical for a Head of the Church of England to apparently be holding a grudge against their child. I'm not saying I agree, just that these are the kind of criticisms that a small amount of contact would help alleviate for Charles.

I never believed for one minute the nonsense that Meghan is an intellectual giant. Anyone with the smallest smidgeon of intellectual curiosity would have got stuck into learning all about their new country and the hugely significant family they were marrying in to. She had access to the most amazing places, the most brilliant historians and all the books and documents she could possibly want...but seemingly didn't bother with any of it. Imagine what even a short conversation with the late Queen and Prince Phillip could have taught her. What a bloody waste. She is lucky that Harry is even more stupid than she is.

Totally agree.

Re the historical documents and papers - I’d have thought I’d died and gone to heaven if I’d had access to those.

I know! Just being able to look at the archives in Windsor Castle! They have some Leonardo sketches.

And me. Imagine being able to turn to someone and say, 'D'you know...I have no idea why this country has a royal family. Can you talk me through it?' Then to start digging into more detail, going on out of hours field trips (imagine the Tower after everyone has gone home for the night) or royal visits organised to help your understanding ('Ma'am, we are visiting Alnwick to open a food bank, but it's the perfect opportunity for you to visit the Percy family and hear how they held the North for centuries' etc).

It would be amazing.

Instead, we have complaints about tights, moaning about lip gloss and grumbling that 'I can't believe I'm not getting paid tor this.'

I really don't get it. What an incredible opportunity. Then to choose to live in a soulless California mansion, selling pancake mix.

Brilliantly put !

@FleurDeFleur and @PigglyWigglyOhYeah

Yes!!!!!

And I so want to be one of those people we see on tv who carry some historical document to a table and lay it before some historian or actor from Eastenders and say - we have this document from the year ……….

Does anyone actually know how those documents survived? Even that in itself would be worthy of a good few hours of listening to someone.

I'd bloody love that. Imagine putting on a pair of white gloves so that you could look at original documents by Thomas Cromwell.
Philip had a collection of family documents at Windsor, many from his Russian and German relatives. His mother's alone must be fascinating.

An original copy of the Magna Carta was found in a drawer in Lincoln Cathedral!
I was bowled over just by seeing the Luttrell Psalter in the British Library.

@FleurDeFleur

I meant to mention the white gloves!! They’re so symbolic.

I can understand how documents from today would still be available hundreds of years from now but how did they keep the ones from hundreds of years ago till now. Was there a keeper of documents or did people just keep them under the bed in the equivalent of a fancy Dairy Milk box and no one threw them out because Aunty or Uncle so and so will come back and haunt us if we do.

Good points! Rich people kept stuff in big chests, didn't they? There was often a surprisingly detailed archive, well into antiquity. Elizabeth I kept documents of everything she considered to be important.

Imagine putting on a pair of white gloves so that you could look at original documents by Thomas Cromwell.

I'd love that.

She’s a philistine with no accomplishments. This is why she goes on and on about the P&G letter. That was the zenith of her achievements, apart from being on a cable TV show and marrying a prince.

The international philanthropist persona was a shakily crafted veneer which didn’t stand up to the least examination.