William's non attendance to important events

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Since there is a flurry of discussion on another thread its probably best to create a thread for it to take place here and not derail another one.

So William is not attending a number of important events the recent one being the VJ day..lots of you think he should have after all he is the future King and if he can't make time for these things then it begs the question what is the point of them?

So discuss away...what should he turning up to, what is his actual role if he starts to not do these types of things...

You forgot the trip to the mustique in the early months of the year

Again why do you automatically think this has anything to do with you?
main character syndrome?

🤣🤣 you are really making me laugh!
thanks 🙏

Seeing this conversation continued from one where you “accused” me of being pro-Sussex, it’s a natural conclusion for one to draw.

Nevertheless, I await some actual good debate again, because I am still bored!

Do quote my post where I accused you of being “pro Sussex” ?
in fact I have not used “Sussex” on this thread at all !
I will be waiting.

I don’t think they ever tried to pretend they were EXACTLY like the average family, just that they were more relatable and shared some similar battles.

I mean, I’ve certainly never had to get an unruly 5yr old to behave while attending an event for the monarch with millions of eyes watching……but I absolutely have had to get children of that age to sit quietly on other occasions.

Different but relatable challenges that transcend wealth or social class 🤷‍♀️

To be more topical: cancer. Certainly money can buy you the best treatment but it can’t help your body shrug off the effects of chemotherapy, nor can it take away the paralysing fear that you might die and leave your young children without a mum.

I think W&C have tried to be less aloof and share more, because previous generations have been criticised for that. And now that’s being used as a stick to batter them with. They literally can’t win.

Hopefully we'll have no more monarchs after Charles.

People are comparing them to normal family because they've spent the last decade or so with the whole "oh look relatable we are.. we're just like yoooou"

Yes, @Seagullsandsausagerolls, and that's why I'd suggest there's a danger in trying to push the relatability thing too far

I get why the idea appeals, but it leads to silliness like us being told they're treated just the same at school/in the services/whatever, and for those who care I'm not sure that does much for the RF's credibility

But I think a lot of these are not challenges that transcend class because their issues are very different. They don’t really deal with many tantrums do they, because the nanny deals with them.

Yes they’ve once or twice had to get a five year old to calm down, but they also get the option of leaving them at home, or handing them over to the nanny.

They have tried to position themselves as a run of the mill, slightly wealthy but relatable family. They can’t then be surprised when people get annoyed that they’re not acting like that anymore.

Not using the word Sussex is immaterial. I said that they could easily step down, someone made a comment about who would be next, and you then made a pointed comment about me knowing exactly who would be next - implying that I was stating they should step down so that Harry can be king. That wasn’t what I was saying at all.

If William stepped down then George would be next. I don’t think William could abdicate on behalf of his child. And I doubt the child could abdicate until he was an adult and able to make that decision for himself. Then it would be Charlotte. I can’t see a scenario where Harry was king absent the whole Wales family dying.

Too late I'm afraid, OneFunBrickNewt

Though a republican, honesty compels me to agree that separating out all the monarchy's links would be a major process, and I'd be very surprised if there'd be much time for preparation before it becomes William's turn

Well maybe she shoukd start advocating for changes to help the people she represents. Or William could. Woukdnt they want their subjects to be able to have the same opportunity. There are many ways in which they could help.

And how did he acquire the duchy?

We might finally get a written constitution though!

So I’m assuming “ yes” is obviously code for being a pro Sussex poster then?! 🤣🤣🤣

The laws can be changed (as they were when Charlotte was born)

it’s clear William and Kate don’t enjoy royal life as much as they once did. The celebrity aspect around them has faded, as the country is largely struggling. That is compounded with the fact that a large portion of the country has very negative feelings towards Camilla, and Charles, due to what happened with Diana.

in terms of William and Kate, They’re no longer getting married and having babies. They’re boring now - this is when other royals (Ann, the Spanish and danish royal families) came into their own, by doing more. They all seem to want to do less. I don’t doubt that some of that is related to the utterly miserable childhood they had, including the death of their mum playing out so publicly.

BUT, if they want to take the benefits of being working royals, they need to take the duty of actually working. It doesn’t seem that they’re willing to do that. There is nothing beyond silly family feuds that stops William, Harry and their spouses from sitting down with Charles, and laying out how they could end the monarchy without any fuss. Many of the minor royals have stepped away from working anyway. The younger generations are doing more normal things - lady Louise is away at university and we don’t hear much about her (for example).

They could paint it as a very good public thing. They could remain working closely with charities if they feel strongly about it, and exist in a very poignant and meaningful way. But they won’t, because of their egos and their reliance on public adoration. So they need to step up and being working royals.

I disagree with you after reading the Lownie book. Andrew's alleged childhood trauma definitely made him into a man who was a risk to your national security as well as an Epstein supporter. BP seems turned a blind eye to much of Andrew's actions, and that includes QEII.

Harry also seems to have been majorly traumatized by his childhood. His actions have been a risk to your national security, and the American press has called him out for it. Read Mark Toth's columns on Harry.

In the meantime:
-William is criticized for too large a carbon footprint. He doesn't attend a sport event in Australia, and is criticized.
-William criticized for attending an event with son but not daughter.
-William criticized for attending an event with daughter not son.

• William criticized for driving Andrew in car to church.

-William criticized for not attending church with Charles and Andrew ( no doubt he would have been stuck driving Andrew again) when William and family attend local church and are given home baked goods by vicar. -William attends funeral of Pope and criticized for wearing dark blue, within dress code. He is surrounded by flagrant violations of dress code, especially by several women and President Trump, but no one cares.

• William criticized for not speaking Welsh. According to the Welsh language commission survey in 2021, 18 percent of the Welsh population speaks Welsh. Maybe William and the kids can start a virtual program where everyone in the UK, not just people born in Wales, learns Welsh together. This way people from England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland can communicate with their Welsh country people while on vacation in Wales.
• on another thread, William stops charging some charities rent but their rent was so low they haven't saved much money with the change.

I haven't read about William shooting endangered species, attending orgies, or accepting shopping bags of cash.

My PR advice- William - I had to spend a few weeks documenting every activity in my day for consultants. Start posting daily lists of what you did the day before. You will probably bore the hell out of people "3 hours reviewing rent rolls. Priced radon removal from Dartmoor prison so that we can turn it into affordable housing. Should we hire an exorcist before we start work? Met with paranormal group who say that proposed cell phone tower will interfere with sightings of spectral hounds".

I think you may have read too much into that.

Yes , you are right, William can only remove himself, he cannot remove his entire family.

I normally support the Royal family but it does seem looking at the royal diary that William is not pulling his weight. Anne doing loads as usual.

It was automatically passed to him when Charles became king.

What’s the point of them doing private events though?

Their roles are apolitical and they have no special skills or knowledge beyond fluffy public diplomacy/meet and greets.

Neither of them are able to contribute in any substantial manner behind the scenes - all they can do is bring the spotlight to issues and causes, and without events being public they can’t even do that.

So that role do you think he should be doing, whilst he is waiting to be King and then when he is King what are your expectations of his role?

Exactly - accident of birth! What has he actually done to deserve all the vast wealth, privilege and forelock tugging?!