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Mylovelygreendress · 11/08/2025 08:27

I would love to see the message about Meghan that Harry sent Sophie .

Thedom · 11/08/2025 09:17

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/08/2025 18:32

I'd like to think the MOD could see the way things were going and decided their resources were better used elsewhere, Thedom, but who can say?

At least the British Legion has a long and honourable record and isn't constantly overshadowed by H&M, so there's that ...

It seems to be more about Invictus lobbying the MOD to change things, did they specifically ask for Help for Heroes to be removed. The MOD have handed it to the British Legion,

Something a bit opaque in this.

Thedom · 11/08/2025 09:25

Mylovelygreendress · 11/08/2025 08:27

I would love to see the message about Meghan that Harry sent Sophie .

Absolutely, I think we will see it eventually.

Also the evidence she claims she has that Harry and the Trustees were trying to sabotage the charities fundraising efforts and connections to donors. That one will be dynamite if that is released (leaked 🙏).

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/08/2025 09:28

Thedom · 11/08/2025 09:17

It seems to be more about Invictus lobbying the MOD to change things, did they specifically ask for Help for Heroes to be removed. The MOD have handed it to the British Legion,

Something a bit opaque in this.

It's always opaque when the RF have anything to do with it, Thedom Hmm, but the one thing which seems certain is that anything concerning Harry and his derangement will be shabbier than most

Fraankly all I care about is the people the cause is supposed to be helping, and for me it's about time they were centred above everything else

notimagain · 11/08/2025 09:36

@Puzzledandpissedoff

  • for me it's about time they were centred above everything else?

Agreed, but it increasingly appears to me as if PH's thinking is:

"I ask not what I can do for this charity, I ask what can this charity do for me?"

CoffeeCantata · 11/08/2025 10:18

He’s an idiot (who knew?) because his embarrassing tantrum over Sentebale will tarnish Invictus and any other unfortunate charities he wishes to be associated with.

I see Meghan’s paw prints all over this - dim men like Harry don’t think in terms of ‘ooh, that Dr Sophie is clearly jealous of Meghan and wants to be the only WOC up there with gorgeous ME’. As so often, he’s doing her dirty work and looking ridiculous.

What is Meghan trying to do? It seemed at one time that they’d unofficially decided to make charity H’s thing and business initiatives Meghan’s, but she’s not help (deliberately? sub-consciously? Clumsily/accidentally?). She’s perceived by many , fairly or unfairly (doesn’t matter in the end…same difference), as the millstone round his neck in these two organisations.

binkie163 · 11/08/2025 11:43

Snobb · 07/08/2025 08:45

"The issues not investigated by the Commission can and may be dealt with through avenues more appropriate than the Commission.”

Watch out PH - the highly experienced, qualified and multi award winning legal expert SC is coming for you and your bullying.....

I would love it but she strikes me as strictly business, I doubt she would bother with a little twat like harry but it would be nice to think someone would teach him a lesson in manners and not let him get away with it.

binkie163 · 11/08/2025 11:43

Snobb · 07/08/2025 08:45

"The issues not investigated by the Commission can and may be dealt with through avenues more appropriate than the Commission.”

Watch out PH - the highly experienced, qualified and multi award winning legal expert SC is coming for you and your bullying.....

I would love it but she strikes me as strictly business, I doubt she would bother with a little twat like harry but it would be nice to think someone would teach him a lesson in manners and not let him get away with it.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/08/2025 11:55

it would be nice to think someone would teach him a lesson in manners and not let him get away with it

I suspect it's already too late, @binkie163, and that if there was any chance of him improving his prospects by behaving better he'd have done it by now

So I guess things will just have to play out on the basis of what he is, rather than what he could have been with just a little efffort

CoffeeCantata · 11/08/2025 12:17

binkie163 · 11/08/2025 11:43

I would love it but she strikes me as strictly business, I doubt she would bother with a little twat like harry but it would be nice to think someone would teach him a lesson in manners and not let him get away with it.

I think he and M are surrounded by ‘Yes people’. I don’t think anyone telling them home truths, however right they might be, is going to keep their job.

binkie163 · 11/08/2025 12:31

Profhilodisaster · 07/08/2025 17:04

A source close to the two princes told Newsweek: "There are a lot of complexities to the governance structure of Sentebale, which means we're not entirely clear as to, for example, whether or not Sentebale in Lesotho is a separate organization and charity to Sentebale in the UK And it's something that Prince Seeiso is exploring."
If they legally divide, the pair could regain control of the charity's Lesotho division.

What would be the point though?

Edited

The 2 princes may not know but I bet SC does, being a corporate legal brain I would expect that to be sewn up tight. They have hardly been involved in the project over last 20 years, it's all posturing. They should be careful with SC as she could make life very uncomfortable, she knows her way around the legal shit, unlike Harry et al.

binkie163 · 11/08/2025 12:31

Profhilodisaster · 07/08/2025 17:04

A source close to the two princes told Newsweek: "There are a lot of complexities to the governance structure of Sentebale, which means we're not entirely clear as to, for example, whether or not Sentebale in Lesotho is a separate organization and charity to Sentebale in the UK And it's something that Prince Seeiso is exploring."
If they legally divide, the pair could regain control of the charity's Lesotho division.

What would be the point though?

Edited

The 2 princes may not know but I bet SC does, being a corporate legal brain I would expect that to be sewn up tight. They have hardly been involved in the project over last 20 years, it's all posturing. They should be careful with SC as she could make life very uncomfortable, she knows her way around the legal shit, unlike Harry et al.

CathyorClaire · 11/08/2025 12:31

the wounded veterans take part in the games, this obviously helps their self confidence and esteem but they have to pay for everything themselves! Did you know that?

According to the Invictus website partner Fisher House Foundation cover accommodation and meals for competitors and up to two friends/family:

https://www.invictusgamesfoundation.org/news/fisher-house-foundation-partners-with-invictus-games-foundation-and-invictus-games-dusseldorf-2023

But it certainly seems as though Harold expects a lot of people to dig very deep indeed to prop up his vanity project.

Take a look at the requirements to bid to host the games (where did our £23m bid fee go, Henry?):

https://www.invictusgamesfoundation.org/images/uploads/research/Hosting-an-Invictus-Games-2029_online.pdf

The only thing missing appears to be the moon on a stick.

CathyorClaire · 11/08/2025 12:35

Oh and I meant to say I bet Harold didn't think the CC were incompetent stitch-up merchants when they found nothing untoward in the transfer of funds from the Royal Foundation to a private company under his control.

TheAutumnCrow · 11/08/2025 13:28

binkie163 · 11/08/2025 12:31

The 2 princes may not know but I bet SC does, being a corporate legal brain I would expect that to be sewn up tight. They have hardly been involved in the project over last 20 years, it's all posturing. They should be careful with SC as she could make life very uncomfortable, she knows her way around the legal shit, unlike Harry et al.

Yeah, if only someone had told him at the beginning that there was no way for him to win this …

You know, like maybe Sophie Chandauka, the new trustees, the Charity Commission could have said something.

Oh what’s that? They did? But they’re all a big bunch of meanies so Harry’s unable to comprehend what they’re saying? Same with his own lawyers and his global interplanetary advisors?

Ah well, he’s only 40 years old. Cant expect much.

Serenster · 11/08/2025 14:53

CoffeeCantata · 11/08/2025 12:17

I think he and M are surrounded by ‘Yes people’. I don’t think anyone telling them home truths, however right they might be, is going to keep their job.

Also, there don’t seem to be any consequences for Harry.

His legal team must have told him it was almost certain he’d lose his judicial review appeal (he did at least admit they had told him it would be hopeless to try to appeal further).When they are proven correct, rather than reflecting he rings the BBC to ask for an interview so he can whinge about being the victims of a “good old-fashioned establishment stitch up” by three Court of Appeal judges - one of them the most senior Civil judge in the judiciary - and his father the King. And the BBC say “Yes of course Harry. Prime time news slot suit you?”. What other disappointed litigant gets that?

My2cents1975 · 11/08/2025 20:02

IMHO, H has begun to suffer the consequences of his own actions. I think that any fair assessment of the following will show a material change for the negative over the past 5 years

-Public opinion regarding H on both sides of the Atlantic
-H's access to G-20 Heads of State
-H's access to former US Presidents
-H's access to A-list Hollywood talent in front of and behind the camera
-H's first look deal with no reported amount...a far cry from the original deal trumpeted at $100 million

Tabloids and "news" organisations are following clicks to make money so objective / investigative journalism has become the exception rather than the rule, even for legacy media such as the BBC. Most outlets parrot talking points provided by PR teams so there no analysis from thoughtful reporting.

And note that this negative change has occurred while H has a father who is currently Head of State, before W accedes to the throne and six years before first of the Wales kids turns 18. To quote Chruchill "It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning"

CoffeeCantata · 12/08/2025 07:54

Love them or hate them, the actual royals behave with decorum in their charity work. They don’t create scandal or indulge in public slanging matches. They also do the Never Apologise, Never Explain thing and don’t respond to provocation.

H seems to have forgotten that, or is perhaps acting on Meghan’s advice.

Mylovelygreendress · 12/08/2025 08:46

If there is to be any sort of reconciliation ( and I have my doubts) , Harry is going to have to change his behaviour . He simply would get away with his public tantrums and would end up like Andrew - banned from public life .

Mylovelygreendress · 12/08/2025 08:54

*would not get away…

bluegreygreen · 04/10/2025 19:42

The Sentebale report and accounts to December 2024 are now out
Sentebale report and accounts

Reported in Telegraph
Telegraph archive link

Haven't been through it all yet but some points from commentary
-tricky financial situation with falling corporate sponsors from 2019 and reduced HNW individual/family donations from 2020
-events-based fundraising was expensive, as was UK based (London) HQ - £650 000 pa
-re the infamous polo match: 'Reduced income from the April 2024 Miami polo challenge due to a late change in venue to accommodate a commercial filming request from one of the charity's former patrons that resulted in a financial shortfall of at least US$136000 for the charity'

https://sentebale.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Sentebale-Annual-Report-Sept-2023-to-Dec-2024-Interactive.pdf

elessar · 04/10/2025 19:57

Wow, so Harry’s selfishness and personal greed cost the charity 136k! He should have covered the shortfall, and would have done if he really cared about the charity, rather than treating it as his personal plaything.

bluegreygreen · 04/10/2025 20:03

Alongside the required financial reports, they have published two others, one called "Reporting on transformation' and the other 'Public interest disclosure addressing disinformation'.

Serenster · 04/10/2025 21:39

This is interesting:

Sentebale’s records show that, at the time of the former patron and the former trustees’ resignation, legal fees totalling over £67,000 (before VAT) had been incurred covertly by one former patron and former trustees since December 2024 – significantly exceeding initial estimates of £5,000. These costs arose during a period of financial uncertainty for the charity. Sentebale’s records show that a majority of these legal instructions were initiated by one former patron’s legal advisers. Expenses were incurred despite multiple mediation offers and recommendations, including from the High Court, and concerns raised about the constitutionality of the legal strategy deployed. Sentebale’s records indicate that the full scope and cost implications of this legal strategy were not properly communicated to all trustees or authorised through appropriate governance channels, and that it was concealed from the principal senior executive. Given the material implications for the financial health of the organisation and the need for accountability, the senior executive should have been consulted.

So, essentially, Harry and a small group of the previous trustees spent nearly £70,000 of Sentabale’s money on legal fees to attempt to oust the charity’s Chief Executive while not going through proper governance, and in fact doing so behind her back. That’s a pretty clear-cut abuse of their positions as trustees. And they were ultimately proven wrong too, both by the Court that refused to let them sack Dr Chandauka, and the Charity Commission who called out mismanagement in the administration of the charity.

Ladedahlia · 04/10/2025 21:43

Serenster · 04/10/2025 21:39

This is interesting:

Sentebale’s records show that, at the time of the former patron and the former trustees’ resignation, legal fees totalling over £67,000 (before VAT) had been incurred covertly by one former patron and former trustees since December 2024 – significantly exceeding initial estimates of £5,000. These costs arose during a period of financial uncertainty for the charity. Sentebale’s records show that a majority of these legal instructions were initiated by one former patron’s legal advisers. Expenses were incurred despite multiple mediation offers and recommendations, including from the High Court, and concerns raised about the constitutionality of the legal strategy deployed. Sentebale’s records indicate that the full scope and cost implications of this legal strategy were not properly communicated to all trustees or authorised through appropriate governance channels, and that it was concealed from the principal senior executive. Given the material implications for the financial health of the organisation and the need for accountability, the senior executive should have been consulted.

So, essentially, Harry and a small group of the previous trustees spent nearly £70,000 of Sentabale’s money on legal fees to attempt to oust the charity’s Chief Executive while not going through proper governance, and in fact doing so behind her back. That’s a pretty clear-cut abuse of their positions as trustees. And they were ultimately proven wrong too, both by the Court that refused to let them sack Dr Chandauka, and the Charity Commission who called out mismanagement in the administration of the charity.

What a mess