The yorks , new book by Andrew Lownie !

[jeffgoldblum]

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apparently the author will be serialising his new book in the dm weekly!
thought we might like to follow the snippets 😁

I am into my 7th decade and I remember stories about SF's spending. "Like a child in a sweetshop after her marriage" - I paraphrase. But the extent and egregiousness does come as something of a shocker even to me.

It is often said HLMTQ never made a misstep. Well, I think she did re Andrew , and that was a big one. And yes I agree with other posters in that unfortunately now down to KC ( who has a lot on his plate ) . Let us hope W is made of sterner stuff , and also , taking school holidays off etc, is not just workshy but is trying to inculcate his children into having more sense and responsibility and less of an entitled attitude

I have read (don't have a reference but I can try to find one ) that some years ago HLMTQ thought her biggest misstep was not going to visit Aberfan more quickly.

Spot on once again, jeff

I read but didn't engage on some of the more manic "Where's Kate" threads, but despite some of the filth posted it was noticeable that deletions were few and far between and that there was no temporary ban on any more threads, as happened with H&M

Still, I guess they drove plenty of site traffic so there's that ...

Good to see this point picked up.

E2 paid both her extravagant mother and her extravagant DIL's debts while her grandson doesn't seem able to find his pockets in respect of those left in the lurch by his own IL's.

As for Fergie - no mention of the deal she had with Johnny Hon who is allegedly associated with China's foreign influence network ( Zara Tindall and Peter Phillips have also taken fees and retainers from this chap, Zara going on to have her lawyers lie about it until confronted with evidence).

I'd quite like to have seen that association explored and am very much hoping for a report on Andrew's 'charitable' activities at Pitch @ Palace in the next instalment.

Sadly as PP have said, this will likely turn into a nine day wonder and get brushed under the carpet like all revelations about the Windsors' less salubrious activities.

I really wonder what it will take to finally turn the tide of public opinion against them.

It will not change your life one jot.

Well, it will. Because, apart from anything else, knowing to be true what many have always suspected about the veniality of a family we are expected to defer to will be good for the national psyche.

Nice to see you're confident it will happen 😁

What do you make of the extracts from the book?

Who defers to them? Next you’ll be banging on about tugging forelocks 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Feel free to laugh. Doesn’t make me any less right!

The Fergie extract was absolutely gobsmacking. It will be a nine day wonder. I caught 5 mins of Lorraine today and they were discussing SF. Labour peer Ayisha H was saying how much she liked her. 🤣

I am a , not quite wishy washy , constitutional monarchist - a bit in the way of "democracy is the worst form of government - apart from all the others. " But I am very much in favour of egregious behaviour being called out. When I see a better answer , I might support that. But until then I think the RF need to start making reforms. And I suspect they will. But as I have misquoted before "the mills of the RF grind slowly but they grind exceeding small" . The RF will never make a knee jerk reaction but I think PA Is a case study in how they could do things differently. & even just for PR let's see some stronger sanctions than just not holding HRH. Surely he could be stripped of Knight of the Garter so he can't turn up swathed in curtains - or does this take an Act of Parliament - sorry could google. Certainly think all stops should be pulled out to get him out of RL , there must be those who can point out where (if) he has broken his lease. I think I have read SF is renting out the house her daughters bought for her to cover costs on RL but again I may not be correct.

I'm very much hoping W turns out to be a bit more of a steely eyed missile man ( quote from Apollo 13 the film)

I’m not sure whether we are allowed to criticise mn but I have to say I was very disappointed in the way it was handled!
it was like someone touched a match to a fuse and a bomb went off!
i have never witnessed such prolonged, vile , hatred before, I only stayed briefly after trying to stem the tide, in the end I left and only returned after it finished.
just in time for those who were known to begin backtracking and attempting to rewrite history.

Crikey what a predator men with that kind of sexual appetite often lose sight (or simply don’t care) where consent ends and rape begins. I have zero doubt he exploited trafficked women during his association with Epstein. And let’s be clear: powerful names involved in that circle are being protected, covered up, and quietly buried.

This man deserves prison. But he won’t see the inside of one not because he’s innocent, but because he was born into untouchable privilege. He’s a filthy disgrace who should never be seen in public again. If the rest of the royal family insist on appearing alongside him, they’ll reek of the same disgusting moral stench. It sends a message that women’s bodies especially vulnerable, exploited women are still disposable when the abuser has a title.

Enough is enough . No more parading this creature as though he’s earned forgiveness. He hasn’t even shown genuine remorse. Keep him out of sight and out of power.

There’s a book I bought recently, called “Spying and the Crown: The Secret Relationship between British Intelligence and the Royals” by Richard Aldrich and Rory Cormac. It was published in 2021. I’ve only skimmed through it, but this bit stood out for me:

The relationship between spies and royals raises a crucial question in liberal democracies: to whom are intelligence officers ultimately loyal? The government or the crown? After all, officially speaking, MI6 officers are not civil servants, they are ‘crown servants’. The military historian Ian Beckett claims that, for many military officers, the crown represents a higher form of authority than the government of the day. Being servants, first and foremost, of the crown – albeit of the symbol rather than the individual monarch – allows the military to distance itself from the squalid nature of politics. A similar idea extends to the intelligence services.

I know that the armed forces and police swear allegiance to the crown, and I’ve always thought that was a good idea, seeing it as a reminder to Parliament that they don’t hold all the cards. (Similarly with respect to taxes – paid to His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs, not to Parliament.) But I think there does need to be questions about what intelligence MI5 and MI6 were providing to QEII about Andrew. Did they hold back out of loyalty to the Crown? Or did they pass on everything they knew and the Queen ignored most of it?

Although I do think it’s a good idea to have some separation between the legislative powers and the nation’s senior representatives (either the Crown or a presidency, though I’d be sad to see the end of the Monarch’s soft diplomacy and, of course, the pomp of the Household Cavalry, etc.), the one thing that’s missing in all this is accountability. There is “conduct unbecoming” sanctions for the clergy, the police, the military, but there isn’t for members of the Royal Family. It’s all down to whoever is the Head of the family at the time. For QEII and now Charles, there is no official outside persons or organisation they can turn to in order to sort out such problematic people as Andrew and Harry. I don’t think Parliament can intervene, except in the case of appointing a Regent or Counsellors of State. It would be interesting to read the views of a constitutional lawyer, if anyone knows of any relevant book(s).

You're absolutely right to be concerned on some deep, existential level about what could happen if the country suffers a major economic shock. If civil unrest follows, it's not unthinkable that extra-parliamentary forces could start to coalesce around the military, elements of the establishment, and even the Royal Family, who could be paraded as a respectable “front of house” for what would essentially be a political charade.

It might sound far-fetched now, but who knows where we’ll be a decade from now or how bad things could get? After all, there were rumours of attempted coups not once but twice during Harold Wilson’s time as Prime Minister. These things aren’t just theoretical; history shows they’ve been quietly whispered about before. And if something like that were ever to happen again, it certainly wouldn’t be in the interests of the people though it would absolutely be framed that way.

🗓️ 1968: The First Alleged Plot

• Context: Britain was in economic turmoil. There was growing unease in parts of the military and establishment about Wilson’s left-leaning Labour government and perceived weakness on trade unions and foreign policy.
• Alleged Plot:
• Figures like Lord Mountbatten (the Queen’s cousin and former Chief of Defence Staff) were allegedly approached by civilian and military figures about forming a “government of national unity”.
• A former MI5 officer, Peter Wright, claimed in his memoir Spycatcher that there was talk of arresting Wilson and replacing him with a caretaker government led by Mountbatten.
• Mountbatten is said to have refused to take part.

🗓️ 1974: The Second and More Serious Allegations

• Context: After Wilson’s re-election in 1974, the country was gripped by strikes, inflation, and fears of communist subversion.
• Key Points:
• Harold Wilson believed there was a campaign to undermine and destabilise him, possibly with a goal of forcing him out — what he called a "soft coup."
• There were reports of MI5 surveillance against Labour ministers and of files being kept on government figures.
• Former intelligence officers claimed there was a whispering campaign to paint Wilson as a Soviet agent.
• General Sir Walter Walker was said to be involved in forming anti-communist paramilitary groups in preparation for civil unrest.

This is very interesting where Jeremy had "friendly" "chats" with British Intelligence it shows the direction of travel in that sort of scenario.

William is super- conscious of the need to do, and to be seen to do, a good, squeaky-clean job

So you dont know what is being hidden from you then. So you can't say for certain that he isnt bad either.

Its all a show, a facade, you see what they want you to see and hide the rest.

From 2022 !

• General Sir Walter Walker was said to be involved in forming anti-communist paramilitary groups in preparation for civil unrest.

@vera99

Vera - I'm old enough to just about remember this. I remember my school friend's parents discussing it - apparently this man was looking for war/army veterans who could drive tanks!

But he was a bit of a nutter and wasn't taken seriously. I agree though, that it's not always the point as to whether things come to fruition - the fact that people, however bonkers, start these initiatives tell us something about the climate of the time. Things really were bad in the mid-70s in terms of industrial relations - I grew up doing my homework by candlelight and strikes were absolutely rife. You'd be tripping over picket lines every day.

Oh Tina Brown! She's hunted with the hounds and run with the fox for ages.

Harry is lovely. OK.

Give me dull William, please!

What is this post supposed to be proof of?

I was excited we had power cuts and candles I was just 8 and all the public lighting went out on buildings and we would listen to solemn annoucements on the radio. I thinkl we had 3 day weeks as well. I remember my mum panic buying sugar for some reasons !

I wrote it at the time because it reflected how even insiders those claiming access to privileged information were hinting that the British Royal Family is on increasingly shaky ground. The once-deferential, unified media front that used to peddle the polished fairy tale of monarchy is starting to crack under the weight of social media and growing public scrutiny.

And when someone like Tina Brown who is no outsider and has long been deeply plugged into the royal-media-industrial complex so to speak starts sounding the alarm, it’s worth paying attention. Her track record on royal matters is far from fringe; she’s credible, connected, and rarely off the mark when it comes to the inner workings of The Firm and a Firm it is - the people need to buy what they are selling and as disgusting as Andrew is I would say that is laredy priced in in - her hint and it was a big knowing hint points to something darker.

And you have to trust me on this as I was at the Kite Festival when she said it and as far as I can see no-one else has reported that.

Well as far as I can tell , you have posted your own post from 2022 , where you apparently claim to have overheard a conversation, it is hearsay, you have zero proof that this actually happened!
its not relevant.
sorry no , I don’t take anyone’s word for it without proof.

Found a link

https://www.efestivals.co.uk/festivals/others2022/2022/kitereview.shtml

Sandwiched between these two great speakers was Tina Brown talking about the Royals. While not a subject of great interest to me, she did so with sufficient gossipy candour that even hard boiled republicans could find interest in what she said, not least the revelation that if “secrets got out” it would ruin the Royals, and that Epstein was “possibly” murdered.

Newsflash - insiders claim a lot of things.