The yorks , new book by Andrew Lownie !

[jeffgoldblum]

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apparently the author will be serialising his new book in the dm weekly!
thought we might like to follow the snippets 😁

Having lots of phone lines didn’t exactly indicate wealth, although it did cost money to have them installed. But it was an indicator of a luxury lifestyle. And probably of vulgarity too! Remember, proper posh people would have one phone, probably in a freezing cold boot room about a mile from the living room. It was practically unheard of for “ordinary” people to have more than one.

Maybe partly - or maybe ensuring people got paid, as they should.

Fair point.

Yes that is one of the most outrageous things. Alongside the Monarch and the heir being able to lobby for exemptions to legislation before it's gone through the Parliamentary system. Their exemption is written into legislation but can't be discussed ( because see above), passed into law and given Royal assent. Then when someone questions why the Royals have an exemption the Palace says 'we fully comply with all laws' well of course they do because the law contains the exemption they themselves demanded! It's absolutely ridiculous that this is seen as acceptable.

I don't think she was paying the little people

She was paying the big debts like £500,000 to Coutts.

QE2 allowed this situation to get out of hand like it quite obviously has. No one learns a lesson if someone just repeatedly pays off your debts.

Well, I’m hoping it will make ‘expelling’ Andrew much easier for him, and that he will have the perfect excuse for keeping Andrew and SF away from public events. We shouldn’t have to see them ever again.

I also hope SF will be unable to get any kind of credit in future and will be shopping for herself in Primark. Anyone who gives her credit from now on would be crazy.

Good grief, all those excesses make her sound mentally unwell frankly. Almost beyond belief.

To be honest, I think the maintaining the facade is a more likely explanation. The little people didn’t get paid. She paid off enough of the big debts to keep her head above water for as long as possible….

Yes he's using his ' Prince' title for himself. But you would have to be an idiot but to know that he is estranged from his family and has no influence over them. I presume none of them even talk to him. Andrew, Sarah etc are very much in the family fold. If someone with dodgy motives ( apparently Epstein said Putin has dirt on Andrew) wanted influence or access they would go to someone inside the tent not someone outside. Charles could presumably remove Harry's titles and certainly the children's prince/princess titles. Why won't he?

Very much like Harry.

This is the consequence of living a life of extreme privilege without the responsibility of being heir. They become spoilt, entitled and have a sense of superiority. They've effectively 'raised' sociopaths.

Just to add…I know that separated wives of royals, especially mothers of royal children, get looked after for that reason however awful they might be, but the York princesses are now mature adults with rich husbands so SF should be cut loose and receive no consideration for being their mother. The girls can look after her financially if they want to. Otherwise it’s KwikSave and Primark.

Just catching up and a couple of things strike me.

Firstly I'm now thinking that the stories about some of the family being worried about Andrew and Fergie's proximity to the late Queen are probably true.

Secondly Fergie reminds me strongly of Boris in that both seem to cultivate bumbling public images that mean people don't look at the graft and selfishness beneath the surface.

Someone I know works making stained glass windows, as part of a woman-only team. They were working on York Minster at the time, and Prince Andrew visited. They were ready to demonstrate their skill and artistry, and his opening gambit was, “Oh, I thought you’d all be in bikinis!”

Tosser.

Charles could presumably remove Harry's titles and certainly the children's prince/princess titles. Why won't he?

Because despite how people like to think of him because of Diana, he is a gentle, kind and measured man at heart.

There seem to be a lot of unwell people in the royal family.

Whatever the reason I don’t think it as wrong in itself. But as a royal-adjacent person SF’s behaviour should have been closely monitored. She wasn’t just a private citizen whose conduct was her own business. Of course there should have been scrutiny and existing creditors warned by the Queen not to deal with SF in the future.

I agree that these are anachronisms in a modern democracy. I particularly hate the way Erskine May is treated as if it has the force of law when it actually doesn’t.

I actually do quite like him. I think he is interested and has huge empathy for others.
However he surely must know that his family is out of control. He needs to be ruthless and change the rules so that future generations don't have 'spares' with little purpose sitting around. Other Monarchies manage with just Prince/princess titles for the heir without needing endless 'what if's. His mother left him a poison chalice. He is doing the same. William won't take titles from his grandchildren either. Charles needs to change it. If other European monarchs can bite the bullet so can he.

Because deep down Harry loves his son and wants to keep the door slightly ajar for when/ if H and M divorce .

I don’t think William will hesitate to deal with H and A .

Ugh.

Wouldn’t you just love to give him a cold, hard stare and say “Why?”

Yes! Very well said. 👏 for this post.

I think when there is a book like this rehashing the past and creating a storm, it may be quite carefully curated, with the backing of senior royals and their advisors, to keep eyes off bigger, contemporaneous stuff that could speak disaster on a bigger scale.

The thing is... there is not another family like it. Probably not in the world, maybe vague similarities with other European royal houses, but none of them like this. They have far far more money spent on them than not far off all the others put together. See attached.

My take on it is...

Successive governments refuse to discuss anything to do with the Monarchy for fear of vote losing. It's a hot potato.

The royal family are unique, nothing like other rich families, they are bound by rules and protocol and so make up for it with the sort of behaviours we witness. Because they think they deserve it. They are, in essence, a dysfunctional hugely rich family, no more no less. The RF could do what they liked before the advent of mobiles, social media etc. Now those days are gone with QE2.
Charles had a chance to change the Monarchy drastically for the better. He chose not to.
And it will only get worse when he dies.

But it's not just about A& H. I don't doubt that he'll deal with them. But if he is serious about ' modernising' the Monarchy he needs to bring it in l line with the other European Monarchies. That doesn't only mean dealing with unpopular individual members but severely cutting down the numbers by restricting titles for his own grandchildren. As well as reducing their levels of spending on staff and properties. Andrew and Harry are short term problems. What if Louis runs off with an ' influencer'and has 10 kids in a commune or something? They will all be prince/princess. He needs to do the hard yards. If he wanted to do it I don't doubt he'd tell his dad to do it so he didn't have to. I have my suspicions that the reason Charles hasn't done it is because William doesn't want to remove titles from his children or grandchildren.

You are echoing my thoughts exactly @LidlAmaretto

I think Charles has buried his head in the sand.

I have more thoughts on this but probably best left as they won't be popular with Royalists!