Talks about reconciliation 2

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I've never started a thread here before, but I thought some people might be interested in this take on the story by a PR podcast I listened to yesterday (started listening to this podcast as I know very little about PR!).

It would be good to know if any of the resident PR people agree.

When It Hits The Fan: A Right Royal Whodunnit

I’ll say again I really dislike the idea of Kate being the peace maker. They and their supporters have bullied her mercilessly and she’s supposed to act as peacemaker? That’s not right at all.

It would be more odd for families not to speculate on what features a new baby will have . The whole thing was blown up out of all proportion, purposely (imo) to cause trouble.

This entire debacle has nothing to do with Catherine. Both she and the Middleton family hosted H over years and not one word leaked to the media.

Interesting that you know about it then My2cents1975. Are you part of the Middleton family?

Ask me another!

Very obviously they can't, so all that leaves is to stick to anodised conversations and keep both of them well out of the loop on everything else

I don't suppose that would suit, but since they've proved to be fit for nothing else it might just shut up Harry at least, as long as he was getting the money

New PR: Please read your client's novel Spare. If your client is lying about visiting the Middletons, please inform us why?

BRF PR: I have read and listened to Spare and there is no mention of him visiting the Middletons in the book.

Edit to add: I just searched the Kindle version of Spare and ‘Middleton’ appears only once in the entire book. In a sentence talking about portaloos and Pippa Middleton’s wedding.

Very obviously they can't, so all that leaves is to stick to anodised conversations and keep both of them well out of the loop on everything else

But that gives them the opportunity to come out with their own versions of what was said, or some other imaginary slight that was offered, and it's 'recollections may vary' again. And I can well imagine that the King and William don't want to give the slightest opportunity for more insults aimed at Camilla and Catherine.

NewPR has searched Spare for Middleton. Not Pippa or Catherine or any other terms associated with the family. Just Middleton. And even then had to confess at getting a hit.

New PR has ignored the multitude of interviews H has given over time and the various books H has contributed to via proxies. As per emails submitted in court H literally wrote "I totally agree that we have to be able to say we didn't have anything to do with it." as he briefed Omid.

And NewPR ignores H's whole dissertation in Spare comparing where W&C lived to their sad Ikea-couch-on-credit-card abode.

It is rather tragic. New PR is not going to make it to Thanksgiving!

So I guess that’s an admission of lying on the original post.

New PR has not explained why A could fly to Elton John's villa but not to Balmoral.

Elderly great-grandmother or multi-millionaire non-relative.

What a hard choice!

Eco-lecturers Meghan Markle and Prince Harry board their private jet with baby Archie for fourth gas-guzzling flight in just 11 days as they leave the south of France 'after visiting Elton John's $18m mansion' on three-day jaunt

And Tom Bower also says that the Middletons invited Doria to stay but the invitations were always declined.

Im sure H was very welcome in their home before the troubles began.

How does Harry sleep at night?

Evidence of the Queen being quite fond of M? Or crickets as usual?

Was it when M's "married 3 days before" put the Archbishop in a rather awkward spot with his boss, the Queen, the Head of the Church of England?

Or when H&M aired their Oprah whinefest while the Queen's DH was in hospital?

Or was it the charming way M put the Commonwealth flowers on her veil...that same Commonwealth that is Colonisation 2.0 per H&M's Netflix mocumentary?

Do clarify NewPR....

@LimeNotLemon

Ive just had a google for you and there are a few sources regarding the refusal to go to Balmoral.

We’ve had a preview of how Meghan would act in these circumstances in her Oprah interview.

”Kate is a good person, she owned her behaviour and apologised” says Meghan, before sadly looking downwards, shaking her head a bit, and then proceeding to throw Kate completely under the bus….

And reminding us all, out of sympathy and concern, of course, that she was known as Waity Katie.

Evidence of the Queen being quite fond of M? Or crickets as usual?

Or when the Queen had to tell her off for rudeness towards the catering staff in the run up to her wedding?

Lime, I’m sorry to disillusion you, but it’s crystal clear from many different sources that the late Queen did not trust Meghan, was concerned as to her motives for marrying H, and unhappy about her treatment of royal staff, to name just a few well-documented issues.

Have you by any chance seen that photo of the Queen’s expression as she looks at Meghan at the wedding? It’s not exactly a look of uninhibited ecstasy.

Yes, Serenster, and that was before the dream of making their own money turned to ashes and their options became ever fewer

The bitterness now is only too easy to imagine, which may be another reason to keep any saleable information well away from them

Harry and Meghan have no chance of reconciliation until they stop attacking everyone in the family except the current monarch. It's such a short sighted policy and so transparent. With how close and discreet the family are they need to give individual and wholesale apologies for being privacy. Then they could slowly start coming to the odd day event, like the Easter service or Commonwealth Day and then resist the temptation to immediately brief the less. Trust once broken is hard to rebuild but it isn't impossible.

Honestly though I don't think Harry believes he has anything to apologise for. He has just given up expecting his family to apologise for various and nameless (and imaginary) wrongs.

I believe that Catherine gets dragged into reconciliation talks because William is known to stubborn and she is probably the only person who could convince him to accept an olive branch.

No, no and thrice no! 💀

On a purely human level it would like to see reconciliation within the family. I don't enjoy seeing Andrew peacocking around at Christmas but if he is there then I would hope that at some point Harry and his family could be part of the fun, without them giving an interview about the number of sausages he ate of course. I'm not sure how likely it is to happen in the next 5 years though.

I don't think reconciliation should be put on Catherine's shoulders but I can why her name is mentioned.

At this point though unless things happen quickly I can't see any meaningful change in the status quo and once Charles is gone I think Harry will have lost his chance.

Although I started by saying I'm for reconciliation, if it doesn't happen I won't think any worse of the royals. As I have said several times, what Harry has done is so relatable in it's betrayal of family I don't think many of the public would feel negative if he was never brought back into the fold.

Harry has said that under the current security arrangements (which won't change) he won't bring his family to the UK, so what sort of reconciliation is he after (a financial one most likely) . He just needs to have a quick phone call with Charles every so often, talk about the weather, the kids, how's everyone doing and leave it at that.

Surely the only demand for a reconciliation is coming from the Sussexes?

The RF don’t need a reconciliation. I think the RF should sit tight and ignore them - they’re only after money or to re-charge their ‘ royal connection batteries’, or for narcissistic supply.

The demand does seem to be coming from the Sussexes but I'm sure Charles would love to see his son and grandchildren again. The institution certainly doesn't need them but how lovely for Charles if Harry could apologise and they could have some sort of relationship.