Talks about reconciliation 2

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I've never started a thread here before, but I thought some people might be interested in this take on the story by a PR podcast I listened to yesterday (started listening to this podcast as I know very little about PR!).

It would be good to know if any of the resident PR people agree.

When It Hits The Fan: A Right Royal Whodunnit

Wow at that first sentence. Fyi, loving spouses actually want to support each other on such occasions. And there’s nothing wrong with wanting or needing that support.

Also just for Coffee and Randy - can you provide evidence that they were invited to Balmoral and refused the invite?

Why don't you do the courtesy of providing the information you have been asked for first?

I'm old enough to remember that until recent years Peter Philips was always referred to as the Queen's favourite grandson. Harry is a latecomer to that title, I doubt that the late Queen made her views known publically either way.

Meghan going up to Balmoral never made sense. None of the other royal grandchildren were invited at once, let alone their spouses. William had to be there as the new heir and it is natural that Charles would want Harry there as he happened to be in the country. I have always believed that Catherine would see her first duty as supporting her children through the public loss of their grandmother, particularly as it coincided with starting a new school. Maybe at a different date she might have travelled up but not then. The fact that Charles used her absence as a reason to bar Meghan doesn't mean she would have gone. I think Charles was just trying to find a basis that Harry would listen to.

Harry insisting on Meghan going and arguing about it is just another example of his staggering ignorance about how the institution works. Meghan had no constitutional role so there was no place for her in the first few complicated hours. I remember him also complaining that by the time he had arrived Charles and William were at Birkhall having dinner together, rather than with everyone else at Balmoral. He paints it as him being excluded rather than what it was, the new Monarch and the Heir coming to terms with their new rules and having confidential discussions that only they could be part of.

Incidentally though Harry's delays didn't make them miss seeing the late Queen before she died. They didn't help but I'm pretty sure that the weather and the timeline of her death meant that they would never have made it in time.

Do you mean the reliability Spare and the NF series and the interviews, because that seems to be what Randy is relying on? This is beginning to kind of make sense if so - I guess there is an argument that their own words are not to be trusted because of all the many, many lies.

Yep! , so tiring.

Wow , as soon as he heard Catherine wasn’t going he didn’t need support !?

I believe Spare and NF doc to be very reliable and the tabloids ‘sources’ to be less so.

You believe two sources riddled with multiple lies and inaccurate information as reliable?
then there is no point in anyone engaging with you then is there!

It sounds like he was told not to bring Meghan as Kate wasn’t going and despite wanting to he accepted that in the interest of optics. What would you have wanted him to do?

Fyi, loving spouses actually want to support each other on such occasions. And there’s nothing wrong with wanting or needing that support.

Except that Harry himself, in Spare, made it clear that the issue was whether or not Catherine was going.

None of the other royal grandchildren were invited at once, let alone their spouses. William had to be there as the new heir

I read somewhere that Charles (who was already in Scotland) initially sent for W because he hoped to hold the Privy Council meeting which the Queen had had to cancel, which would need two of them as Counsellors of State. Then it quickly became apparent that things were more serious than had originally been thought, so the other children were sent for. But no other grandchildren.

Except that Harry himself, in Spare, made it clear that the issue was whether or not Catherine was going.

Thats not how I read it. Why would Harry care if Catherine was going? He clearly just wanted his own wife with him but accepted KC’s decision which KC justified by saying C was also not going

Form what Harry said in “Spare”, it doesn’t seem as though he felt he needed Meghan for support though. His issue seems to have been that he felt she was being snubbed. As I and other posters have said, he backed down when he found out Catherine wasn’t going. I don’t think he would have done that if he felt
he needed Meghan for support. He seems more to have taken offence at the way he feels his wife was spoken about. He was completely unable to see that he and Meghan were not going to be at the forefront of his father’s mind at a time like that. They really are not as important as they like to think they are

I think Meghan cared that Catherine might be going.

But Harry failed to see that it wasn't about him. It was really about the Queen, his father and his uncles and aunts, first and foremost.

I mean, I cannot personally imagine what Meghan wanted to go for, even if there hadn't been any hoo-ha in the previous years.

I wouldn't want to go the deathbed of my husband's grandmother (unless specially requested)...I wouldn't see it as my place - when there would be many more people closer to her.

For the Queen, Harry was given preferential treatment as he was not a child of the Queen and not required for protocol reasons and yet somehow that was not enough. His father was tending to his mother and somehow this is about Harry and Meghan. If he couldn't go alone because he needed support maybe he could have stayed away with his cousins. It back to the hierarchy, Harry doesn't seem to have a problem with those below, just those above him.

Harry shouldn't have done that to his father on that day. He should have done what his father asked him to do, quietly and without fuss. Arguments, if he felt strongly, could have waited until later.

Oh LimeNotLemon!

That's a terrible admission. You believe the ramblings of a self-centred, self-obsessed man-child with a massive chip on his shoulder and a sense of entitlement the size of North America?

Epilogue of Spare. Starts with him and Meghan visiting Diana's grave and Meghan wanting to be alone to hug it.

Next, they re in London for Wellchild on 8/9/22. Harry gets a call. His father calling to tell him QEII is unwell. He texts William to ask whether he and Kate are going up, if so, when and how. No response. So he and Meghan look at flights. The press are calling them, so they tell the press they are cancelling Wellchild and flying to Scotland.

"Then came another call from Pa.

He said I was welcome at Balmoral, but he didn't want....her. He started to lay out his reasons, which were nonsensical, and disrespectful, and I wasn't having it. Don't ever speak about my wife that way.

He stammered apologetic, saying he simply didn't want a lot of people around. No other wives were coming, Kate wasn't coming, he said, therefore Meg shouldn't.

That's all you needed to say."

Clearly all about the competition. Harry was an utter cunt to his father in that moment.

It's the new PR company. Their motto is disrupt, derail, destroy.

Limit your responses and suggest that people check prior threads - treat them as a FAQ.

I suspect this one will be gone by the end of the year.

Interesting how a differing opinion cannot be tolerated on this board. Very curious.

Just argue it convincingly then and don't just state it...and then admit your only source is the ridiculous rant, Spare!

(But I take your point completely, Bemused!)

You keep asking people for sources, then don't provide your own. I do, as do other posters. Why do you expect your opinions to be taken seriously?

this hadn’t occurred to me.

The computer says “no”