Talks about reconciliation 2

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I've never started a thread here before, but I thought some people might be interested in this take on the story by a PR podcast I listened to yesterday (started listening to this podcast as I know very little about PR!).

It would be good to know if any of the resident PR people agree.

When It Hits The Fan: A Right Royal Whodunnit

Or possibly tell the truth and correct the silliness around them?

I sometimes wonder if their supporters here actually KNOW anything about the last 5 years! It doesn't sound as if they do.

I would be so happy if Lime and simpson would actually take the trouble to answer some of the points raised by Randy above. but I won't hold my breath.

But IME, H & M fans never do - I wonder why?

Could it be because the facts don't support their world-view?

Their silence on these matters speaks volumes.

It seems we have a very different interpretation of events.
I’m not denying that bridges have been burnt (probably irreparably) between H&M and KC&C/W&C.
But I still believe H&M had a good relationship till the end with QE/Phillip.

I felt that way too coffee, for too many years it seems!
I’m just tired now of having the same discussions over and over again.
and the fact that due to my laziness and not name changing, that anything I do post , regardless of what it’s about ( even pms!) , whether I mention h and m or not is constantly jumped on and singled out!

Who’s claiming that? People are musing on a rumour that Charles paid off the debt. The lie about him cutting off Harry when they left was exposed when Charles’s accounts were published, revealing that despite Harry’s accusation he did in fact support them financially.

I’m sure it’s frustration on the part of desperate fans - they have nothing now, really, except to try and disrupt, distract and…drive us barmy!

I see it as a sign that things are pretty hopeless for their cause.

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I do appreciate your acknowledging that.

We’ll have to agree to disagree about the Q and PP. I only know how much the monarchy meant to the Queen and cannot imagine that she wasn’t deeply dismayed and hurt by what these two did.

What has recently come to light from Lady Elizabeth Anson, though, would support that view.

Interesting interpretation @LimeNotLemon

I would imagine

QE/Phillip loved their grandson dearly - because of grandparents do. We don't really know then well enough to know if he were a favorite or just one of the many beloved grand kids they had.

QE/Phillip made efforts to welcome and warm to Meghan because they loved Harry. But in reality, how much opportunity did they have to personally get to know her and form any real connection. How much time did Harry and Meghan actually spend eating Sunday roasts, playing games and getting to know Harrys Grand Parents. Given the very busy schedules of both sets of working royals, and younger ones jet setting social lifestyle split across two continents.

QE/Phillip have been there, done that and seen it all before, watched many royal brides built up and pulled down by the papers and followed the same methods laid out by their experienced PR teams. Personally, I would imagine an elderly couple (born on a pedestal who have never had much occasion to learn to be patient with other opinions, who lived through a war where the national resolve was to not complain but get on with it) would probably get quite irritated and rather impatient with the 'young ones' deciding to shake it up, do things their own way and not follow the tried and tested advice given.

Just my opinion, but I would say they loved Harry, they tried to love Meghan and probably did like her to start, but didn't get to know her well enough to form a real bond before everything blew up and at the time of their deaths were just tired of the whole sorry situation.

The woman’s been dead longer than the queen. I wonder who will be dug up next. Do royalists realise this type of stuff doesn’t actually help their cause of getting everyone to hate Harry and Meghan?

I’m surprised there hasn’t been much discussion here about what Lady Elizabeth said about QEII. I found it terribly sad. As a parent or a grandparent, you want to see the young ones happy and settled and if you think someone is with them for disinformation reasons, it would be upsetting. Plus H behaved terribly around the wedding plans. Asking the Archbishop of Canterbury to officiate put the Queen in a terrible position. It’s another sign of H’s inflated sense of importance. He had to have the top man do his wedding. Of course, Justin Welby should have explained to H why it was a problem and not have left it to the Queen.

As you said in your earlier post, and I quote:
‘Monsieur Google is your friend here.’

Asking the Archbishop of Canterbury to officiate put the Queen in a terrible position.

And having done that, to embarass him by claiming he had done something he couldn't legally do, so he felt obliged to deny it publicly, which would in turn have embarassed the Queen, as head of the CofE.

Thing is, because the Queen and the DofE never spoke publicly about their personal affairs, there is little if any first hand evidence of their thoughts and opinions. But with H&M it's all there in their own words and actions.

No - Mr G can’t help here. Randy has the facts already. It would be helpful to the discussion if you could address the points Randy raises.

That’s really interesting!
Wonder where this royal gossip came from all of a sudden…?!

Sorry they’re not facts but mostly opinions or (mis)interpretations (usually from the tabloids POV)

Irrelevant. The witness of people - dead or alive - is what we call history!

Well then, take them in turn and prove that.

Argue your points using evidence.

But I think you’ll find they’re accepted facts.

Lol no thanks. I have stated my opinion but there’s no point arguing with people who believe the tabloids.

We can also use our common sense to discern the reliability of such sources and other factors and influences that might be at play to push a certain narrative at a particular time.

Looking forward to the evidence that they didn’t call the Commonwealth Empire 2.0, that they didn’t accept an award for tackling institutional racism, that the Oprah interview was not released while Philip was dying, that Harry did not write about looking at QE2’s body, and that it’s nonsense to suggest that they threatened to sue the BBC but then didn’t when the BBC refused to retract the story about QE2 being upset about their appropriation of Lilibet 🍿

Why does a middle aged man need support to see a dying relative ? He managed to attend his grandfather’s funeral without her support and his father’s coronation.
William seems to have managed .
Meghan and Harry had previously refused HM’s invitations to Balmoral. I wonder why she was so keen to go this time ??

Don't hold your breath. It's As Ever with the Sussex Squad ploppers. Demand evidence, you provide it, they ignore it - even when it's from the mouths of their actual adored ones. You ask them to reciprocate - nothing. Because they can't. They come here in bad faith with their opinions and moan when they are countered with factual evidence, then moan that we are an echo chamber, because we won't unquestioningly accept their unsubstantiated batshit. It's as it always has been.

We can certainly agree on that!

That's put a smile on my face! 😁

The irony.