Talks about reconciliation 2

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I've never started a thread here before, but I thought some people might be interested in this take on the story by a PR podcast I listened to yesterday (started listening to this podcast as I know very little about PR!).

It would be good to know if any of the resident PR people agree.

When It Hits The Fan: A Right Royal Whodunnit

And Charles, apparently, could only get Harry off the phone appease Harry that morning by asking Catherine, who had genuine affection for the Queen and who was going along with William, to stay away. This was hurtful to her, but she complied without fuss.

Only by assuring Harry that Catherine wouldn't be there either did he calm down and fall into line.

Ugh. The sheer crassness of it makes me cringe.

Didn't Harry make William and the others still in London late? They were sat on the plane waiting to know whether Harry would be joining them on the journey to Balmoral iirc. Then a storm came over so they couldn't take off and only arrived after QEII had died. Harry travelled on his own (something else to moan about).

Here's a link to that incident, before the seagulls come flying in to demand a link!

I'm not very good at this kind of thing, but if this doesn't work, Googling something like 'kate meghan couldn't see queen on the day she died' brings up plenty of sources.

www.mercurynews.com/2023/04/17/kate-resents-meghan-because-she-couldnt-see-queen-the-day-she-died-book-says/#:~:text=Kate%20Middleton%20and%20Meghan%20Markle,of%20seeing%20Queen%20Elizabeth%20II

Indeed he did!

Nice.

Meghan hardly knew the queen, it's almost ghoulish that she wanted to be there.

Do we know for a fact that Catherine was going to go? It was a first day at school for the children wasn't it?

They know nothing, just that it must be Meghan’s fault.

That as the reason given for her not being there, but whether this was a diplomatic get-out, I couldn’t say.

Meghan, though, could have had absolutely no personal reason to impose herself at the passing of the Queen, and many reasons why she most certainly should not have even asked. How much of the pushing came from Harry, competitive with W&C even to the point of ghoulishness, we’ll probably never know.

So why add to the mental load by banning a grandson’s wife from supporting him at such a time? Makes no sense. Unless Kate wasn’t going anyway and therefore Meghan couldn’t be allowed to go as it would look bad for Kate.

The royal family famously don't complain, so no. We do know - straight from the horse's mouth (Spare) - that Harry was haranguing his grieving father about his wife coming to Balmoral, and was ONLY satisfied that Meghan wouldn't be coming upon being told Catherine would not be. Catherine is the only one of the two wives who would have had any reason to be going, since she had the established/long standing relationship with the Queen; and also had stepped into the position of Princess of Wales, and thus the second most senior woman in the family after Camilla, with an important role in supporting her husband and what becoming Prince of Wales entailed, who in turn had a crucial role supporting his father in becoming King. I very much doubt Catherine would have stayed at home unless there was a compelling reason she needed to do so. The kids would have been more than adequately looked after by their Middleton grandparents and well established nanny, even on the first day of school.

Why would a private financial transaction be front page news? Who the hell would know if Charles gave any money to Harry?

Harry wasn't the only grandchild of the late Queen. As well as William, she had 6 others and their longer established partners who were not present. Why should Harry be given special treatment? And don't say to support Charles. In Harry's own words, he was absolutely appalling to Charles that night and the following day.

Why can’t he be accompanied by his wife to see a dying family member?

lol have you seen the private royal family business that ends up on the front pages? Your second sentence is interesting considering the number of posters here who seem to claim to know exactly that

Please consider the record of Meghan and Harry as opposed to W & C and the Queen’s other grandchildren and spouses!

Meghan and Harry had attacked both individuals and the institution of monarchy on a number of fronts - and made the Queen’s and Prince Philip’s final years very unpleasant. On what planet should these hostile and scheming people be allowed near the Queen at her death?

Because she's untrustworthy, and gave nothing but pain to the family and the Queen in her remaining years. And frankly so did Harry, and he used the occasion of looking at his dead grandmother as the opener to Spare, so there you go, he broke their trust again. The Queen's death wasn't just someone's granny dying. It was a massive political and social upheaval, with her son and his son taking up significant new roles and needing to be on their A game. It involved a massively complex state occasion. Having to police bloody Meghan collecting her "receipts", as she delightfully called them, is not what anyone needed.

I’d add - are you seriously suggesting that Meghan’s wishes should override those of the Queen and those who knew her intimately at the point of her death?

All evidence actually points to the queen being quite fond of Meghan (and Harry even more so)

What evidence re Meghan?

I don't pretend to understand where all these claims come from. I understand very little about all the goings on

I just know I'd sue the arse off my bank or anyone else if they discussed or let slip anything about my my admittedly very meagre transactions. It's a breach of trust of the highest order in my book but then I don't move in the higher echelons so obviously I don't know

Weren't Edward and Andrew on that plane as well? So Harry delayed them going to see their dying mother. They must have been furious with him.
And then Spare was released only a few months after QEs death.

Before they did what they did - maybe, just maybe.

The suggestion that the Queen got on well with them comes mainly from them. Boy, were they careful to suck up to her in their OW interview, whilst blithely trashing the institution she had dedicated her life to.

The Queen was horrified and deeply hurt by what Harry and Meghan did to the family and the monarchy. She's on record as saying of her husband's funeral 'Well, thank goodness Meghan isn't coming'. I think that tells you all you need to know.

Exactly. Selfish off the scale, both to his grandmother and his siblings.

Where is she on record saying that about Meghan and her husbands funeral? Sorry it sounds made up but happy to be proven wrong.

Philip called Meghan DW - Duchess of Windsor. He had the measure of her, as did the Queen. And she was extremely upset over them taking her nickname for their daughter. The final blow before her death was the knowledge that both a Netflix documentary series and Harry's book were coming out that year, and off the back of the Oprah interview, them accepting an award for tacking "institutional racism" within the RF, and them calling her legacy, the Commonwealth, Empire 2.0, she must have known those projects would contain nothing but pain for her family and heirs. Little did she know that Harry would look down at her dead body and think, I know, I'll put that in my book, and moan about my mother at the same time.