Talks for reconciliation

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14899657/King-Charles-Prince-Harry-aides-meet-London-secret-peace-summit.html

What to make of this??

This is what is so horrible.

I agree - they won't stop whatever happens. They've got their teeth into Catherine and William (C in particular) and it will continue.

Meghan hinted (and then Omid Scobie named her) that C had made a racist remark about the unborn Archie. We now know that this is/was highly, highly unlikely but mud sticks and the SS aren't going to let it go. She is KKKate to them, and I feel very sorry for her. She does not deserve this slur and I believe it's actually damaged her health.

They say that a lie is half way around the world before the truth has got its boots on, and this is what's happened, all manipulated by H & M.

Meghan hinted (and then Omid Scobie named her) that C had made a racist remark about the unborn Archie

I was always surprised that there wasn't much made of that by the more avid fans, @CoffeeCantata, given the earlier shrieks about the Oprah claims "proving" the RF's racism

Perhaps, though, the many inconsistencies which had already been identified caused some to pause?

Interestingly it was also more or less the end of Scobie pretending to have the inside track on the RF, and I'd love to know what they - or more likely their lawyers - did to him

@CoffeeCantata it's positively evil. What Meghan and her rabid cult have done to Catherine requires the security services to be involved, and it really would not surprise me if they already are. Harry and Meghan - the online bullying campaigners - have shown everyone who they are through their silence and complicity and refusal to address what has been done in their name, by people they have thanked, endorsed and employed - most notably, Christopher Bouzy. However, they have lost all credence. I think most of the powerful people who would have once given H&M the time of day now recognise them as a busted flush. Some will hang around to feast off whatever kiss and tell money making scheme they will have to do next. But credibility, let alone beloved? No. Meanwhile, Catherine and William seem to be rocking it with the public. That's the future that needs protecting.

For obvious reasons the security services are involved anyway, @RandyRedHumpback, and I'm sure they'll have excellent intelligence, including when illiterate online yammering's likely to turn into something worse

They'll also certainly know the ringleaders by name, and doubtless have some sort of watchlist just as they would with any other potential threat which might go beyond squawking and shouting

It was and always will be Harry who started the royal racist, that particular one was all down to him. It's why he was the one to back track and announce it wasn't racism. It was ultimately Harry's revenge for William. But like most things Harry doesn't seem to understand consequences. Going after Catherine was always the most hurtful thing to do to William other than his children but the hardest to forgive. It's no coincidence Camilla and Catherine were both savaged.

I think so too.
The SS are probably seen as a terrorist organisation, which is exactly what they are. The threat level to the Princess of Wales has been made very clear and it’s really concerning.
I would be really interested in what the agencies know about the direct links to the Sussex pair.

The problem is , that to be forgiven you do actually have to apologise , admit your wrong doing and ask for forgiveness!
harry to date , has not done any of these things.

It was very concerning one squad member was at Wimbledon, not sure if it was when Catherine was in attendance.

I think it was M who started the Royal racist narrative. In the OW interview H visibly reacted when OW asked him about what M had said, it was a “where did that come from reaction.”

M very clearly conflated several conversations about royal titles and security with one conversation about his skin colour. M was by her own admission was not present at any of the conversations. OW’s exaggerated “Oh” was then shown added drama.

H was the one to tell M and he is the one that downgraded it to unconscious bias.

H or M leaking to Omid Scobie that it was KC and PoW really backfired.

Absolutely.
I am pretty sure (could be wrong) that it was on Sunday at the men’s final.
Not entirely sure how easy or expensive it is to get tickets to the men’s Wimbledon final?! From what I’ve read on X, her television was donated to her by her neighbour.

at best he narrated the story incorrectly to Meghan at worst he has allowed a fictional tale to take hold. The second is the worse scenario out of all scenarios. As this wouldn't be manipulation and over analysis of what took place but a calculated smear campaign that places Harry in the centre. Oprah wasn't live, it would be east using legal reasoning to re edit the show. The backtrack was after spare, he took a bloody award in the meantime.

A few pages back there’s a post about that fans disgraceful behaviour at Wimbledon. It’s had me wondering if people have pre-assigned seats or you turn up on the day and sit where you want to, or can. Just how did the fan know if was Camilla Tominney and how was she able to get close enough to be a vile pest and an embarrassment to herself - thank goodness that’s all it was when it had the potential to be so much more.

I agree with you it started with Harry, and whatever tale he told Meghan and how he/she decided to spin it. But I do always get the impression he was blindsided in the Oprah interview when O brought it up. The initial "revelation" occurred when it was just O and M on camera. Harry seemed surprised when she brought it up with him; and then he didn't mention it at all in Spare (or he Netflix doc), and had to do the PR backtrack in his Spare junket interview with Tom Bradby. I think that was January 2023. By around the Summer of 2023, the existence of the letter(s) between Meghan and Charles (apparently discussing the racism incident) had been leaked to the press (The Telegraph I think). Thus laying the groundwork that allowed Scobie to include the letter in Endgame, published in December 23, and deploy plausible deniability that the letters had been leaked to him directly by Meghan, claiming that they were "common knowledge" in Fleet Street. I always wonder whether Harry didn't want the racism issue out there or overblown (because I reckon he made it up/talked up a nothing burger), but Meghan absolutely did, and in this case, they were briefing against each other.

Nevertheless, the buck does stop with Harry as he is the original source, and I agree, it's the thing that has done maximum harm to William and of course, Catherine. I would never, ever forgive him if I was them. Especially Catherine who went out of her way to be a sister to him and include him, which Harry has admitted.

X post with @Harassedevictee and @Vespanest reply.

I would be really interested in what the agencies know about the direct links to the Sussex pair

I'd be interested in what they know about a lot of things, @MummyJ12, but they (quite rightly) keep schtum

I believe it was Camilla Tominey the Wimbledon attnder was having a go at, @BigWillyLittleTodger, and making a coarse show of herself if accounts are to be believed, but again I doubt she'd have been allowed to get anywhere near Catherine

And we'll probably never know who the "racist conversations" thing really came from, @Harassedevictee, but with Oprah I was more interested that Meghan appeared alone for much of it before Harry was wheeled on
Perhaps they wanted to get the worst dirt delivered first, without too many confused side-eyes to spoil the effect - though of course we were assured Meghan didn't know what the questions would be, so it must be true mustn't it?

If that was the case it makes you wonder how she got tickets, isn’t it really hard to get a men’s final ticket? Let alone the cost, plus flights, hotel stays etc. If she was at the men’s final I would have loved to have seen her reaction to the cheers and standing ovation for Catherine, I’m sure it was like a dagger to the heart, love a bit of karma! ❤️

Don’t worry @Weepixie, Wimbledon isn’t like football, the security might be less obvious but if she’d crossed the line to more abuse or physical violence, she’d have been removed so fast her feet wouldn’t have touched the ground.

Agree with this.

Not only did he allow the pre-recorded programme to go out with the slur (in the same way as he did with the mocking of the Queen in the overblown curtsey), he accepted an award for standing up against racism in the RF.

He then denied in the Tom Bradby interview that it had ever happened.

I think he is fully responsible for it.

I agree with pp we will never know the truth of where it originated and that H has a lot of responsibility for what he said to M and how he didn’t quash it immediately. M was still the one who put it in the public domain via OW.

I also agree it was unusual M was interviewed on her own first.

Exactly what I’m thinking! 🤔
The loud cheers and standing ovation for Catherine will have been a bit of a reality check outside her Sussex bubble of delusion for sure.
A bit weird how she was there though. Maybe she won tickets? Super creepy how she’s sat behind a royal correspondent too. Camilla said on her podcast that she hated the feeling of hostility towards her when she was on her day off and trying to enjoy the match. Thankfully, the squaddie hasn’t had the support that she must have hoped.

I hold Harry responsible because it’s his family and he went along with it after the fact but it’s quite obvious he doesn’t have a good poker face !
we all saw the look on his face when she did her mock bow , we all saw the confusion when Oprah asked him about what Meghan had said .
I think Meghan being interviewed first , alone , without Harry is because she wanted to get all her lies out before he came on .
she knew that there was a small chance he might correct her and his face would have given the game away .
that however does not excuse the fact that it wasn’t edited out !

As pps have said, it was a conversation which Harry reported to Meghan (who hadn't been present). which was the basis of the racism claims made to Oprah Winfrey. Meghan must have thought all her birthdays and Christmases had come at once! What a gift. Harry was either stupid or mischief-making to report it to her because however innocent it was, it was clearly just what she was waiting for.

I hadn't realised, but someone pointed out to me on MN that of course, it's Meghan who tells Oprah about this conversation. Harry isn't on camera at the time. The poster believed that Harry wasn't present and didn't actually know what Meghan had said until later. I'm not sure about this - I just assumed that H would be sitting off-camera, but I can see their point: why would he not appear if that were the case? Perhaps he wasn't present and didn't know she was going to say/or had said, what she did. I don't say this to absolve Harry in any way, merely to give another example of his poor judgement.

Another poster (was it you, Randy - I can't remember who to credit!) also suggested that, during a cut to Oprah's face, Meghan mouthed the relevant name to her. If so, that's awful.

If it was all fiction, people would say it was too sensational. And they wonder 'why we're interested in these people we don't even know'!!!🙄

Responded to Vespanest and missed @RandyRedHumpback's later comment that H and M probably disagreed about wanting the 'racism' story out there and were briefing separate stories.

That does make sense - but I still hold Harry responsible WRT the actions I mentioned.

I would be a bit freaked out if I were Camilla Tominey tbh. How on earth did someone from the Sussex Squad end up sitting behind her. It can’t have been a coincidence.

I always wonder whether Harry didn't want the racism issue out there or overblown (because I reckon he made it up/talked up a nothing burger), but Meghan absolutely did, and in this case, they were briefing against each other

That's entirely possible, @RandyRedHumpback, but as was shown Meghan only had to make the incendiary allegation for it to be seized upon by some as if it was written on tablets of stone, only to be made to look foolish by Harry's later comments

Admittedly he could have done that "correction" much sooner, but why spoil 18 months' worth of outrage in his wife's favour while he watched folk attack the institution he detests and hoovered up the prizes for confronting them?