Talks for reconciliation

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14899657/King-Charles-Prince-Harry-aides-meet-London-secret-peace-summit.html

What to make of this??

Harry will be starting the Invictus junket next year (they did events in Canada on a "year to go" basis), so I imagine he's going to try to rehabilitate his image through some TV specials about it, which might account for those meetings. Although there was a Telegraph article the other day, where the Invictus Chief Exec was saying she hoped Harry would attend, as if he's not centrally involved but more of an honoured, but not necessarily expected, guest. It will be interesting to know if he's doing Invictus promotion outside the planning/permission of the board.

It is ego that always gives them away, the language would only be used to describe themselves. The house of, the office of, they might as well sign their names on the press leaks.

Meredith is just so well skilled in such high level negotiations 🙄

The DM:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-14905735/King-Charles-Prince-Harry-aides-peace-summit.html

• This is just part of Harry’s brand rehabilitation in the UK. Meredith was meeting tv journalists too
• The palace was just meeting yet another communication team from the Sussex’s, that wasn’t in itself unusual and doesn’t mean the family will make up .

‘The extraordinary summit came after Ms Maines, who is head of Harry’s household in Montecito, California, flew to the UK earlier in the week for a series of meetings alongside Mr Maguire, their new ‘UK and Europe communications manager'.
These included British business and charitable partners, as well as a host of London-based press and television journalists.
Their itinerary suggests that the couple - Harry in particular - are launching a new charm offensive on the UK in a bid to turn around their negative public image.
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The Mail understands it was subsequently suggested that a meeting with Buckingham Palace’s director of communications, Mr Andreae, might be possible while Ms Maines was in the UK.
This is not as surprising as it might initially seem.
Even after the Sussexes’ acrimonious departure from the Royal family, tentative ‘lines of communication’ were kept open between the palace press office and the duke and duchess’ PR team on occasional matters of importance.
While understandably wary, it is understood that the palace believed a tentative meeting was sensible in the circumstances - if only to re-open those channels once again with yet another new Sussex PR team, following another series of enforced departures both in California and the UK.‘

Also, I bet it’s the same problem that Harry seems to have with his therapists - they get rid of any employee, however experienced, who tells them uncomfortable truths. If they don’t like the advice, off with their heads - and so they just keep repeating the same mistakes.

All this shows is that Harry at present doesn't have a US market that satisfies his need for attention, money and recognition. It's been five years and as his supporters often point out he doesn't need a salty, racist island, yet here are his advisers. This is Harry who had to think about the things he missed about the UK, the correct answer is always the people, it's the diplomatic answer but Harry eventually managed the countryside. If only Harry had the sense not to rant about security and forced himself into a box.

Yes - I totally agree that it’s not all Meghan’s fault - Harry is just awful. But from the family’s perspective, the bad stuff started when she appeared on the scene and she does seem to have exploited his resentment and insecurities for her own ends. I think that whatever seismic efforts are made to achieve a rapprochement with Harry, no-one is going to tolerate Meghan anywhere near the RF. That’s why I see no real solution to the problem, even if Harry was sincerely remorseful.

i don’t claim to be a mind-reader but I bet William is thinking “Oh no - not this crap again just when Catherine is trying to recover her health “.

@AtIusvue Steve Burton, whose photo of Meredith getting in the car is in that article, is NY based according to internet sleuths. Interesting how he happened to be in London. The balcony photo has no photographer name attached. Steve again? Brought to the UK for this purpose, maybe? Meredith appears to be earring the same outfit in both photos, so likely from the same day.

Just why can’t they sack all these lackeys and just talk to family like normal people? Their need for huge amounts of money is due to their own ego, nothing else. Do away with the massive mansion, all these lackeys ‘offices of this and that’ and get real. I find it pathetic.

It’s all doomed to failure for Harry and Meghan.

I agree with pps about Harry’s motivations: money, security, a relationship with his dad, not as adrift from his former life as he was. But I don’t think he wants back. He’s actually given no indication he wants to be more permanently in the fold: he just wants to come and go (with security) and have a relationship with his family and support his charities. But he has said he loves his life in California.

Meghan, I think, will be telling her friends how unfair it is that she can’t shed the RF association. That the media troll her, keep bringing up her time in the RF, won’t let her leave the past in the past, blight all her commercial endeavours by not seeing them as standalone efforts but poor cousins of what she could have been, constantly compare her and her children to Catherine and the Wales children. Won’t let her use and dump the RF, basically, as she has various friends, employees, family members, ex husbands/boyfriends etc - that’s what her life experience has taught her needs to be done to move forward. She wants to be free to earn a lot of money, and it’s the media’s fault she can’t make any of it happen.

But she also sees that to retain her title and her kids’ titles she needs to be proximate to the RF in some way. Hence the request to coordinate/collaborate when it comes to media relations. She is trying to get the RF to organize themselves in such a way that she’s not hindered by the press raking up her past every time she posts on IG, throwing them a bone/showing herself to be fair by saying she’ll do the same. This effort by the Sussexes is a way for them to draw boundaries so that each party is in its patch, leaving the other alone. Also, it would help enormously if Harry and Charles made up publicly. The media onslaught would lose its venom if everyone is seen to be getting along nicely. They’re trying to divvy up media attention. Given they consider themselves equal parties to the future King and Queen consort, superior to the current Queen and cleverer than the king, they’ll be thinking they’re made a huge compromise already by conceding some media space - as far as they’re concerned, they’re just as entitled to all the limelight as W&C, C&C.

Well, as Pa told Harry: you can’t control the media (even if you are able to get Piers Morgan fired). If Harry were more mature, he’d have told his wife not to cherry pick when it comes to his late mother and to see that you have to work with them if you want anything from them. Meghan will never shed her association with the RF, the media will ensure that. And that will prove Harry right (in his own mind). It’ll be on his epitaph.

I would guess that William and Catherine have come to a place of peace with the situation and don't waste time and energy worrying about it. Indifference is much more dangerous to Harry than anger becahse it gives him little leverage.

I hope so - but the danger is that this kind of story (whether there’s any substance in it or not) can trigger horrible memories and cause stress. I think Catherine has some way to go with her recovery and doesn’t need the Sussexes stirring things up again.

Thanks for the DM link @AtIusvue.

Their itinerary suggests that the couple - Harry in particular - are launching a new charm offensive on the UK in a bid to turn around their negative public image.

Precisely, Atlusvue

The talk about Charles finding peace with this is all very well, but his maunderings risk a hell of a problem for William in future - and while Harry could agree anything to get what he wants there's no guarantee at all it would be stuck to when he decided he was being disadvantaged once again

Why risk another cycle of the entire mess when keeping them both at arms' length has worked relatively well?

Their itinerary suggests that the couple - Harry in particular - are launching a new charm offensive on the UK in a bid to turn around their negative public image

Edited to add good luck with that, @MummyJ12
Just about the only route which might work is to blather on about his "poor mental health" when his choices were made, perhaps along with a suggestion he has ADHD. Doubtless some would fall upon it with relish while others would identify it as a smokescreen, but it would still be no reason to risk everything for the sake of a proven liar

I agree with all this, except I see no peace for Harry from the media in the future in his relationship with his father. Even if things were resolved to both sides’ satisfaction (very unlikely), the drama around H and his royal family is too lucrative and sensational for the press ever to let it lie. They would hound Harry, hoping to goad him into more revelations, and Harry has shown he’s weak and easily led. It would be like the White Queen and Edmund in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe!

I too agree that Harry is a culpable as his wife in allowing this whole situation to arise and continue. However it is also true that Meghan has a particular personal animosity towards Catherine which was certainly not the case for Harry prior to his meeting Meghan. So yes, any rapprochement with them as a couple is going to be nigh on impossible

I’m constantly amazed at what people are prepared to forgive and forget, so I rule nothing out. Is Harry better inside the tent pissing out? I’m not sure. His aim seems a bit random.

I wonder if their supporters are still going to try and make us believe that they’re over there ’living their best lives’?!
This just all goes to show that it just isn’t the case because if it was, why would they want anything to change?

Yawn.

Yes - so am I!

I couldn’t forgive H and M.

I’d even go so far as to say that forgiveness isn’t always appropriate.

I was thinking it surely must have been Meredith Mains who leaked the story. What a way to embellish one’s cv to be able to claim you reunited H&M and the rf. And no doubt she will be “leaving for new opportunities” before too long as is the way with all Sussex staff.

And in my mind she is Meredith Blake from The Parent Trap. I’ve seen this film with dd at least 150 times!

I think we need to get real. Harry and/or Meghan and their rabid cult of followers will never stop being a thorn in the side of the RF. They will try to plague William and Catherine's reign, and they will start on the children (not that his hasn't already started), pitting the respective teens/young people against each other. Whatever Charles does now needs to be a private matter only, no rehabilitation into the Firm and royal life, no royal endorsements of Invictus or anything else Harry deems himself to be at the helm of. Simply father and son making peace on that level. If that is not going to happen, then for once I would like a formal statement from Charles on his stance before he departs this earth. Making it clear this his his decision and his alone. And fgs, do something about their titles! My concern (and I see this same concern a lot online) is that Charles do all he can to prevent William and Catherine being plagued with a Charles created hangover into their reign, because they will have enough to contend with going forward, thanks to the absolute mess that has been created pandering to Harry and his vile spouse in the past.

Agree. I would like to see invictus wound up. It isn't needed, it was a vanity project for H, when he had a Royal role but now it is turning into an exercise in grift. The complete opposite of charity.

Yes - there's a lot of evidence it was a personal beef, even before Meghan met Catherine. No woman is going to take precedence over Meghan - stand aside and bow down!

The particularly anti-Catherine element of their campaign, including much that Harry has said, and that Omid Scobie has supposedly thought up himself, has 'Meghan' written all over it.

@HiRen "Meghan will never shed her association with the RF, the media will ensure that. " I think Meghan will ensure that. Her marriage was her s[pingboard into stratospheric fame & she's clinging onto it. Why otherwise refer in interviews to "lies" told 8 years ago. But I do agree she will be interesting to the media for a while to come.