Talks for reconciliation

[LadyJaneGrey18]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14899657/King-Charles-Prince-Harry-aides-meet-London-secret-peace-summit.html

What to make of this??

As predicted, he wants to change that narrative around the type of stories written about him (era of joy anyone?)

Then he needs to stop whining about everything, stop being a hypocrite and apologise to his family.

The press can only write about what he's doing, unless he wants them to make it all up (and then he can sue them for lying)

How though? I mean I agree being royal adjacent is what Harry wants, but there's the Windsor family and then there's the institution. The institution is paramount, along with the security of the state and William being able to take the throne with some breathing space, free of all the shite his parents created. Charles giving Harry an audience on a purely personal basis to make their personal peace before Charles passes away, imo, protects William and Catherine against accusations that they prevented him from seeing Harry, and that being Harry's gripe for the next 40 years, hugging Charles' grave and complaining of an injustice.

For the avoidance of doubt, I do not think that Charles should go any further than that - no Invictus appearance or anything else that makes Harry look like a quasi working royal. No self flagellation about the past or promises for the future, especially no promises on behalf of William. No public meetings, and make the fucker sign an NDA. Any leaks or interviews giving details and it ends. The public shouldn't even know when it's happening. Just a case of come and see me, show me photos of the children, have a pleasant chat and off you go, maybe see you in a couple of months for the same.

It's obviously not ideal, and after everything Harry has said and done, even that little amount of time and access feels like far too much grace. But what's the alternative? If Harry is offered this limited access, but access nevertheless to spend time with his father, and he turns it down or demands more, or starts on about security and inheritances, or moans to the press, then the palace will know he's not really interested in re-kindling an emotional Charles, and they can can it.

I freely admit I may be being hopelessly naive!

I think you're talking sense @RandyRedHumpback. I think baby steps with Harry, not M, might work, if taken very slowly.

@RandyRedHumpback in reality an NDA with a family who believe in no comment is absolutely pointless. Even with this meeting there is nothing stopping Harry at some point informing the press that Charles like his grandmother has the wrong people around him. No one knows what was said at that meeting but equally Harry can make up any crap he wants and someone will buy it, and just like the royal racist how do you argue a conversation never happened.

meghan was corresponding with Charles, we know this from Omid Scobie book, and who got dragged the most in the book, Catherine. Charles has been there and got multiple tee shirts.

Anb told lies. Many, many lies.

True although those previous encounters occurred before anyone knew what Harry would do/how he would twist the information and monetise it. I think he’s destroyed his credibility now and only his foolish followers will believe anything like that. Charles could insist on a third party being present eg a lawyer. Any inheritance from Charles could be made dependent on his future silence via a trust. And whatever the connection might be ends with Charles’s passing, there will be no attempt to draw William in or seek a future royal role.

I really don’t know, @Vespanest . I just don’t think Charles passing away without some sort of personal connection re-established with Harry bodes well for William. Or a conditional offer made, that only someone motivated by something other than love for his father would turn down. If they were a normal family, I would be the first to say Harry needs to FOTTFSOF and reap what he’s sown. But there’s a bigger picture for this family.

@RandyRedHumpback what you are describing is blackmail, money for silence. On the day Charles was losing his mother Harry sold Charles words. If you can't have a private conversation on a day of complicated grief I'm unsure when you can. How much would Harry's silence cost? Could Charles even afford Harry silence.

To me the idea that the RF should share diaries with Harry and Meghan is so ridiculous and deluded it can only come from the Sussexes. And why in person - because then it can be papped and reported on. It’s just their latest attempt to look royal adjacent and to take back the headlines when they knew after Kate’s appearance at Wimbledon last year that she would be getting lots of positive press. I don’t think Harry wants to be a working royal, and neither does Meghan. But watching from California while their funds dwindle and the RF just go about their business without indulging the tantrums must be driving them mad. Someone said yesterday (I think) that it must be nearly time for the “we’re being invited to Balmoral this year” story and sure enough here it is. Desperate.

I’ve been thinking about the Camilla situation and whether the PR machine are thinking we pulled the impossible off once before and we can do it again.

I’d feel very let down on many levels if they even tried to because what Harry and Meghan did was personal, they attacked and left the public without a name and whilst there was a minority who were vile the rest of us are nice, ordinary people who wished them all the best and were happy for them.

Then there’s what they lobbed at the family and whilst I would like the King to have his whole family in his life that’s as far as it goes. Anything else would be a slap in the face.

This thread is hilarious do you all know the royal family personally?
I hope Prince George marries someone you all approve of or else he will have to abdicate the throne. Princess Charlotte will end up as queen. The royal family is controlled by the people.

This is what I meant the other day when I said if I were Harry or Meghan I’d be mortified I’d attracted them as fans - but perhaps like attracts like.

I’m so confused by the whole thing because surely if they asked for the meeting they’d want it kept secret.

With the exception of the SS, most Americans are oblivious to H&M or pro-Wales.

Charles should communicate with Harry only over Zoom and record it. Then when Harry goes on TV and says something ridiculous or issues a press release, BP can release the video:

Harry: Money money money!
Charles: Highgrove tea, honey, bees have wing flop.
Harry: Security, security, security
Charles: opera, opera, opera
Harry: Titles, Titles, Titles
Charles: must go dear boy. Bye.

@TheAutumnCrow hi there, probably the opposite of that. I’d really just say the majority of the British people are nice and didn’t deserve the drubbing they had to take, that it was insulting as well as personal and very painful, as was watching what was being served up to the family. That we deserved more than Harry and Meghan to ever again be public faces of the RF but as a family I wished them happier days ahead.

The diary co-ordination is hilarious. 'sorry Pa, you can't do Trooping on that day because Meghan is releasing a packet biscuit mix.'

Re my last post - I’d also add hateful to the insulting etc.

Say what now? 🤔

Harry can go and whistle, if that’s what he wants. He will never be able to turn the clock back to that innocent, deferential time when we and the media saw him as a fun, happy prince and remembered the young boy who followed his mother’s coffin.

The RF depends on a certain mystique in order to fulfill its role. It’s essential that (whatever goes on in private) they are seen to behave with dignity and decorum. Harry and Meghan have lowered the tone by creating a soap opera-style drama around their royal relationships. Their drama, their problem.

They can’t wind time back and expect respect and deference again. The genie is out of the bottle and it won’t go back inside.

The actual RF (whom they’ve put through hell) have managed to retain their dignity, however, by refusing to engage with these 2 low-lifes. I really hope the RF have good advisers on this matter. They have nothing to lose by keeping H at arm’s length. He’s the one who needs them far, far more than they need him.

Another thought…

The danger here is the risk of giving H and M more fuel. The RF’s silence over the last few years has shut off the supply of scandal fodder for them to moan about in interviews etc. I really hope that KC has the sense to refrain from personal interaction with Harry because even with a NDA-type injunction, it would be bound to reignite all the drama.

Any perceived slight to H, M, or their children could be monetised by them all over again.

What on earth are you on about?

Why do you bother to post at all with such garbled nonsensical rubbish?

There are so many excellent posts regarding the latest state of affairs but I have to say two of the last ones by Coffee almost had me up on my feet cheering.

It's funny how Harry has turned to his father's staff (those awful men in grey suits) to try and rectify his cock ups , instead of doing a bit of self reflection and amending his ways.

He is incapable of self reflection, as we have seen. He's used to other people sorting out his mess, even if he's slated them.

Possibly been partaking in a bottle or 12 of rosé.