Opinions may Vary . A genuine question about why Meghan and Harry seem to attract such differing views.

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I post this more in hope than experience but I would be really interested in a proper discussion about those who are fans or supporters of them , those who aren't and indeed ( of which there are many ) , those who are indifferent.

So - I'll start. There was an interesting post on another thread which said M&H come over as David and Goliath , standing up against "the Institution" - my paraphrase.

No spitting , no fighting , mind the furniture 😂

This amuses me re Gan Gan being the Queen

Because she is a princess Duchess

I was one of those posters who thought good on them for leaving if they were unhappy, I did agree with Harry at the time that he was punching above his weight when he and Meghan got engaged, I would say I was a firm supporter until Oprah.

I think a lot of people would find being a working royal boring, it certainly looks very boring to me, so I understood why she did not want it, being so wealthy personally, yet having to be circumspect and discreet about how you spend your money, the constant jibes about spending tax payer money, even when it is not taxpayer money you are spending. It’s clear now, Meghan didn’t want that accountability, the criticism of the cost of the formal engagement dress, the baby shower, the private jet loans they accepted, the millions spent on the interiors of their house, the wedding, she wanted the equivalent of a Jeff Bezos extravagant lifestyle with no answerability to anyone.

The blatant attempt to trademark the name Sussex Royal for their own financial benefit still remains one of the most astounding attempts at trading on the name of the British people and the British royal family. The continuing use of their British Royal titles to promote their commercial interests is staggering in light of their disdain for Harry’s family and the British people.

That is what is wrong with their attempts, and why they generate such ridicule and contempt, it’s not about them trying to start a business, it’s about them not wanting to do it under their own names, Markle and Mountbatten-Windsor.

The two Swedish siblings of the heir to the throne, both have commercial businesses, Princess Madeline of Sweden has a skincare line, MinLen, by Madeline Bernadotte, their brother Prince Carl, Duke of Vrmland, has a product design business, Bernadotte and Kylberg, he is referred on his bio as Carl Bernadotte.

And now on top of it all, Harry and Meghans commercial attempts (and charities) are a resounding failure, despite the prestigious titles they have continued to exploit and the very influential people trying to prop them up.

Protocol exists to prevent miscommunication as what is fine in one culture can be deemed offensive in another culture which can result in negative outcomes such as worse trade terms or even an outbreak of hostilities up to and including war.

It would be a huge break of protocol if Mrs. Starmer stepped in front of her husband to greet a VIP dignitary first, especially on a visit to a conservative foreign country on behalf of the UK, since her husband is effectively on the job for the UK. Similarly, if Mrs. Lammy stepped in front of her husband to greet a VIP dignitary first, eyebrows would be raised, as Lammy is the Foreign Secretary and would go first so as not to offend the nation receiving the visit from the UK.

This is why, and again there is video footage of this, when M inserted herself in front of H to greet the King of Morrocco first, people commented on the lapse of protocol. For someone who studied international relations, had an internship at an embassy and had been in the royal family for over three months (standard probation period for most jobs), it was an unacceptable breach of protocol.

And it was not as if the royal family forced her to become a working member of the family. Per H in Spare, H&M were offended when the RF said that M could continue acting. H&M insisted that M could "hit the ground running". If protocol was so offensive why did M insist on signing up to the job at all?

Did a quick google-there are lots of reportedlys and allegedlys and videos of hugging. I see no curtseys!

harrys face was a picture on the Netflix documentary, he obviously couldn't be bothered on editing days. I'm sure he'd be extremely angry if peopled mocked Diana curtsy, or those who curtsied to her. Diana was also a fan of the deep curtsy.

😂 enjoyed that. Thanks 👍

I wonder if those people who think the curtesy is ridiculous would say the same if other nation’s customs. Or is it just that they are so defensive of Meghan and bitter about the royals that British customs are fair game for sneering?

Would those same people refuse to take off their shoes in a Japanese home? Or refuse to cover their heads when going into a mosque? Which customs are okay with you?

Frankly, it is rude to go to someone else’s country and refuse to behalf politely because your personal beliefs and values are different. But it is quite American to be ignorant and intolerant, isn’t it?

This is so spot on. No one made her do this. She could have married Hart and not have been a working royal. They offered her an out but she insisted that she wanted to and then threw a huge tantrum when they wouldn’t change everything to accommodate her.

To be fair , a lot of Americans here and on other forums were not happy about Meghans behaviour either, some of the criticism on here is also from U.K. people too .

Oh rude words I think the company may have been Japanese owned. There were some very young Japanese technicians who I had nothing to do with and the majority of staff was British with one Frenchman who was quite charming as well (but then French men are). The gentleman I dealt with was head of finance I think. He was so polite and respectful and got up when I entered the room but then all Japanese people are like that.

I was there for six months and I terminated the contract so I can't have been doing too much wrong and I hope it would have been reinforced if it was expected of me. Still feeling a bit hope I didn't do the wrong thing though

@jeffgoldblum It’s not all Americans. I have American family who know how to behave like decent human beings. It does seem like the cult of the individual is large in the states. Everything centred around the self rather than community and understanding. Meghan is the worst of all cliched American traits.

Don’t worry yourself, there is a marked difference between not knowing and deliberately offending someone, I’m sure they weren’t upset or even noticed.

Oh I agree!
but I find that the comments from actual U.K. posters much more hard to swallow!

Language use suggests that many posters on these boards aren’t in the U.K. or if they are then they spend too much time on US chat boards.

The lack of basic knowledge about the U.K. constitution and government is frightening.

I really enjoyed that. I hadn't seen it before.

M is from a specific part of Southern California oriented around the movie industry. The woo-woo, self-love, me-me-me lot who even other Californians (from the North & Central parts of the state) side-eye!

Last month, at a political convention a California politician commented that the rest of America views Californians as the "crazy people" who are "wacko liberals".

strange he is not bowing.

Excellent points

Back to the main topic of this thread-is it possible that the M&H fandom are sometimes encouraged in their fannishness by the extraordinary triviality of some of the criticism they get? There is loads of real, serious evidence of them doing really wrong things- but also loads that is either speculation or trivial. The anti brigade consider that it all adds to the overall picture of their wrongdoings-the pro brigade think seriously? The wrong sort of curtsey? She ate an avocado?

I know! Utterly ridiculous. She knew full well who Prince Andrew was.

Absolutely, it's just more deceit and dissembling.

There is one of a little girl in Columbia who curtsies. I didn’t say she had taught anyone to curtsy. I just offered a reason why she would. She seemed happy for people to curtsy to her whilst still in the RF though 🤷‍♀️

typo

M's name was listed as a witness...but she claims not knowing Andrew?

Meghan Markle Could Be Called to Testify in Prince Andrew Case, Says Virginia Giuffre's Lawyer

I agree. Being curtseyed to when she was an official royal was a frequent event. She obviously thought it was fine for others to do it to her.