Opinions may Vary . A genuine question about why Meghan and Harry seem to attract such differing views.

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I post this more in hope than experience but I would be really interested in a proper discussion about those who are fans or supporters of them , those who aren't and indeed ( of which there are many ) , those who are indifferent.

So - I'll start. There was an interesting post on another thread which said M&H come over as David and Goliath , standing up against "the Institution" - my paraphrase.

No spitting , no fighting , mind the furniture 😂

I would show respect, courtesy and politeness to anyone new I met, from a Bishop to a Pope to a member of the Royal Family. You can still show manners without curtseying, how funny to think some would think a non curtsey would be rudeness, and not 'good manners'!

I was thinking more that it isn’t good
manners to not find out how to show courtesy in certain circumstances. As pp is a have said, “Henry’s nan” was Head of State. A bit of common sense might suggest that this was a special meeting, at least the first time. And there are posters on this thread who seem to
think that manners are optional or don’t have to include formality, whether that includes you or not

Meghan did say that Fergie was the one who ran outside and taught her to curtesy though. If you Google pics of Fergie curtsying to the late Queen she always did huge deep ones. I can imagine that looked a little weird to Meghan.

I show courtesy and good manners to anyone I meet. I would not show deference. There is a difference.

During a temping assignment my duties included distributing pay slips to the staff at their desks. Whenever I handed him the notice a lovely Japanese man would bow to me. I'm a dummy as until now I've never known thought that perhaps I should have bowed back. Wow I probably insulted him, I feel really bad now

The Fergie curtsy

gosh if I did a fergie, I would be stuck on the ground.
the idea of curtseying is so old fashioned.
im polite to people. but I wouldn't curtsey.

I see my post that did not in fact tag anyone has touched a nerve!
if you think you have and display good manners why rush to defend yourself?

The strange thing is that Meghan expects respect towards her- people curtsying , calling her ma’am etc but doesn’t show respect to others . Repeated references to Harry’s Gran, Harry’s brother etc and the statement after the POW announced her cancer diagnosis was downright disrespectful. The POW has made it clear she wishes to be called Catherine yet Meghan calls her Kate.

I agree. I had a knee injury once and really could not have managed that back then, maybe I could now, I'll have a practice (no, not really, just joking 😂)

This one is ridiculous!

Fergie has said the description given in the Netflix doc by Meghan didn't happen.

Yes , as likely as Meghan thinking Andrew was the queen’s servant! 🙄

DH gets up when other people enter a room - I don't think that's servile, I think it's what he's been brought up to do and he doesn't see that ad servile either

I would very much appreciate his lovely manners.

Why did Meghan refer to Sarah as “Fergie”? I bet she wouldn’t like it if Sarah referred to her as “Markle”. Sounds very tabloid 😆

@wordler I do love a Fergie curtsey.

My husband has had to travel to Japan quite a bit for work, so is in tune with the bowing etiquette. He's regarded as an authority figure for his client, but he also has to show courtesy and gratitude to his client for their work, so there's lots of mutual bowing. When his clients come to the UK, he bows, they bow, it's all out of courtesy/respect and honouring each other within the different dynamics at play in their relationship. In your case, your colleague was bowing to you to express thanks for you giving him something he's grateful to receive. I don't think you had to thank him back with a bow, as it was a one way transaction, iyswim; and as long as you were friendly I doubt he would have minded either way in a British setting where there's no reason why you would have known what to do. It may well have been different had you been working in a Japanese company with an office in the UK, with lots of Japanese colleagues following custom.

Yes, complete bullshit. She knew Eugenie and counted her as a friend before she met Harry. There's no way she wouldn't have looked into her friend's famous family and be ignorant as to who Andrew was. In any case, Andrew would hardly have been behaving like an employee in order for Meghan to mistake him for one, and I doubt anyone else in the room, including Harry, would have been treating/interacting with him as anything other than family.

Yes quite!
it’s just another example of a totally pointless lie , why ? What was the point ?
just totally irrelevant and no need.

Oh i didn’t know that ! Good for Sarah .

As ever the narrative of M as an American ingénue does not reconcile with the truth.

Reality is that per multiple posters, M knew how to curtsey properly from dance and ballet classes, there is video footage of M curtseying, per Spare Fergie taught her to curtsey and per People magazine on the Colombia trip M taught girls to curtsey to her.

The red herring is people who claim that they would not curtsey with insults originally targeting Catherine but now including snide comments on other RF ladies after being called out, all from the usual suspects.

The real question is why the people who do not support curtsying as a sign of respect for an institution, are not vehemently upset at a person who represents nothing teaching girls to curtsey to her.

We all play roles, unless we manage to live in a small bubble, I have been the highest ranking person in a room and been ignored by a customer/service user because of the sex I am, I had to grin and bear it. Meghan herself has done much worse than a curtsy in the name of acting. members of the royal family should understand the assignment, most not as well as they should play the roles warts and all. Which in turn provides privileges. Meghan certainly enjoys the role of Duchess of Sussex but only on her terms. She enjoys being invited to countries as royalty as long as she is in control. She enjoyed leading the march in flip flops. She enjoys the hierarchy so much that her children are included.

Princess Anne goes quite low too

Surely the point is that courtesy and good manners go two ways-deference is one way.

The real question is why the people who do not support curtsying as a sign of respect for an institution, are not vehemently upset at a person who represents nothing teaching girls to curtsey to her.
I didn't know she had done. That hypocrisy is tedious as well.

No idea if I'm "one of the usual suspects".

All I'm saying at all is that I have sympathy for the apparent lapses in protocol Meghan made, I don't think any of them are important and I think any curtseying, including mini bobbing, looks silly.

That's pretty much as much thought as I've given the whole issue. Not a particular fan of Meghan or any of the RF. I think the amount of interest they generate is a phenomenon more interesting than the people themselves.

Why on earth was M teaching anyone to curtsey??