Opinions may Vary . A genuine question about why Meghan and Harry seem to attract such differing views.

[BasiliskStare]

I post this more in hope than experience but I would be really interested in a proper discussion about those who are fans or supporters of them , those who aren't and indeed ( of which there are many ) , those who are indifferent.

So - I'll start. There was an interesting post on another thread which said M&H come over as David and Goliath , standing up against "the Institution" - my paraphrase.

No spitting , no fighting , mind the furniture 😂

But she does do complicated things according to you ?

The power is in knowing not everyone will like you. If everyone likes you, you likely don’t stand for anything and are pretty bland.

Some people like their royals controversial? I can’t remember the last time Catherine even wore a controversial frock!

Yes, I can see where this is heading.

Right so because its longstanding etc thsts okay.

The heir can have an income but the spare cant. Lets just focus on the rolls and not the people as that helps balance things I find.

Fundamentally to me I dont have an issue with the spare wanting to earn his own income too whilst doing engagments as required. So it hasnt already been set up, isn't that should be what modernising the rf is about. Lets take it further for Charlotte and Louis that could be set up for them too.

I can see why a spare would be royally pissed off that the same set up cannot be done for them. If you imagine the situation happening where your parents allowed your sibling to have something but tell you no. And the only difference is because it already existed. If someone posted that situation up elsewhere on mumsnet we all know most would be saying its wrong.

Poor "Spare". Imagine being born with a title, wealth, privilege and status and no pressure about being the heir to the throne!

Too true. I wish the Sussexes understood that. It's genuinely not realistic to only get positive press.

Can’t speak for others but I was not referencing Catherine in my comment. If I was I would have said. Plus I may be wrong but from what I gather she is not universally liked either outside of the monarchists so my comment wouldn’t apply to her.

Why should she? Her clothing, her choice. She's dressing for a role. She's dressing not to distract from that.

What was the line from Friends? My diamond shoes are pinching, and there's not enough room in my wallet for my $50s.

No you aren't wrong, plenty of Kate hate all over the internet and on this board.

I know. I find it bizarre that people actually feel sorry for Harry, or act as if he's been hard done by!
"I had the smallest bedroom in whatever castle or palace I was living in" .
Thoughts and prayers 🙏

Harry has never been the spare. If Harry disagrees with the hierarchy maybe not place your children in the same line.

He's desperate for them to be royal though! Just like himself and his wife. It's everything to them

This is true isn't it, technically! William was the spare when QEII was alive. George became the spare when Charles took the throne. Henry never occupied the position.

There is no room in the entirety of the royal palaces that can accommodate his massive sense of entitlement.

Yes - the point of the royals is to focus attention on others, not create frenzy themselves. Sometimes it’s difficult though - inevitably, with the world being what it is, attractive young women such as Diana and Catherine will inevitably draw comment on their personal presentation. But it’s another area Meghan couldn’t get right. I think formal, buttoned-up day dressing and a Californian aesthetic don’t combine well.

So spot on it's agonizing!

When I read certain passages in Spare, I thought that Harry came across as off his trolley.

How a fandom has been engineered around this couple is endlessly psychologically fascinating.

They don’t even have to be ‘shipped’ by stans. They got married. The shipping discourse writes itself - with a lot of help and turbo-propulsion from M.

Clever stuff.

😂😂😂

If you view their activities year on year through the lense of narcissism it all stacks up. Very predictable behaviours and actions. Lies told in the moment aren’t lies to a narcissist. The narcissist genuinely believes what they are saying in the moment. If they are asked a week later they may say something totally different and once again believe it’s totally true.

The desperate need for attention and to remain talked about, be it good or bad, constant interviews, posts, appearances are all necessary fuel for narcissists.

and of course money too. That’s a universal need, but with the wish to keep up with their millionaire A list neighbours a very pressing need

As an American, I look at Harry as an immigrant who comes in, finds freedom, and immediately states that the First Amendment is bonkers. He then works with the Aspen Institute and other agencies to limit freedom of speech and undermine our constitutional rights. He has no apparent job. I have spent the past two years working with migrants from Ukraine, Sudan, Mali, etc. who came here with just the clothes on their back and were desperately trying to to find jobs and learn English. I know who I would put on a plane.

He also starts a company that is supposed to help address climate change, yet takes an unending series of multiple private jets, lives in a house with 16 bathrooms, and has an extensive garden in a state notorious for water shortages. The gardens are not planted with drought resistant plants as far as I can see. Grass should be outlawed in low-water areas.

As for Meghan, the whole Omid Scobie and Bouzy connection made me wonder about her. The SS connection made it worse. However, the disaster tourism photos did it for me. I remember September 11 very vividly. For months we stayed above 14th street, as requested, so they could rebuild. I do not recall a single celebrity posing on smouldering rubble. Even the politicians were subdued. What you may not realize is that many people who lived or worked below 14th street have died from diseases caused by the burning buildings.

People in LA left behind pets. Some had loved ones who were missing. They couldn't go back to their property because they weren't cleared. They lost everything. They will probably develop health issues from the fires. It was unforgivable for Meghan to go do a photo op on the rubble.

Since the fire, she's been selling that junk and Harry seems to be spending time in NYC. Neither of them are giving back to their local community.

I don't hate them. I just have no respect for them.

He’s not even the spare anymore! , hasn’t been since George was born.

But they're not standing up against the institution. They're using titles which is the very definition of wanting to be part of the institution.

Yes, probably the only reason they got to stand on burnt out homes. The titles got them through. A non- tiled American would have been told to go away

There is an ongoing Orwellian attempt to rewrite the past to fit the "fleeing cruel oppressive monarchy" narrative, but the problem is that H&M have persistently shared their desire to be a part of the "cruel oppressive monarchy" to the extent of wanting their children to work for that "cruel oppressive monarchy".

So, the fanbase has to simultaneously believe that H&M are rebels while supporting H&M's efforts to rejoin their "oppressors". The doublethink required to believe otherwise based on the couple's own words and actions is rather concerning!

It takes gold medal level mental gymnastics to pretend H&M are anything more than a couple who believed their own hubris and are now in dire straits.

Absolutely.

You just have to see through manipulative people, hate bullying, lying and cruelty and spot a jealous narcissist when you see one.

You're right, greendress - it's not about being a monarchist or not, it's about disliking bad behaviour and not being taken in by prettiness and tweeness when it actually masks some very ugly things.