The marching of the Kings californian grandkids

[Thedom]

Wish I could go back and find all those posters who predicted a Kardashian-esqe social media blitz at some point in H&M's future, wonder where are all the posters who we're so affronted by the very idea of that.

People magazine and all, the uber celeb magazine.

I guess needs must with the downfall of her business efforts, \oh look, here are my kids whose privacy we have decided to forego for the greater good of taking the heat off what a crap business woman I am'.

“Liege of life and limb”

“Glory and honour to the realm”

Steady on, have you overdosed on Georgette Heyer?

If it’s genuinely not out of spite then I can understand it.

But I sense a touch of revenge in the decision.

Revenge?

What does RAVEC have against the unemployed 5th in line?

Are you saying that it's unreasonable for a private citizen living 8 time zones away to give advance notice of his visits? Or that highly trained, in demand specialist officers should be hanging around waiting for him to grace them with his presence? And not be able to do their job to the best of their abilities because Harry can't bother his twerking arse to make a phone call?

Because noone has yet been able to tell me just what is wrong with Harry's security arrangements. And it's not for the want of asking.

That is why I referred to many of those countries. I know it doesn’t apply to all of them.

It’s too nice an afternoon to constantly argue but they could have made it a week’s or a few day’s notice. He isn’t an ordinary private citizen. There were palace reps sitting on the board. I think Harry said that he wasn’t allowed to put his case directly and that he had to be represented by a palace official at the hearing. If that’s the case then I don’t know how it could be entirely objective?

It’s too nice an afternoon to constantly argue but they could have made it a week’s or a few day’s notice.

So you know better than them how much time is needed?

What qualifies you to tell highly regarded experts how to do their job? Can you be specific?

Harry is unemployed. He appears to do nothing all day long. Absolutely no reason he can't make his plans known well in advance. If not, well, he'll have to take the great risk of staying in a 5* hotel in London without armed protection.

He isn’t an ordinary private citizen.

No, which is why RAVEC have made very fair and very generous special arrangements for him. You still haven't been able to tell me quite what is wrong with those arrangements.

I think Harry said that he wasn’t allowed to put his case directly and that he had to be represented by a palace official at the hearing. If that’s the case then I don’t know how it could be entirely objective?

Your regular reminder that his Judicial Review was soundly rejected, as was his recent appeal.

But I guess that just as you know better than the security experts, you know better than 3 High Court judges too?

@Plasticcheeeandgherkins - do you think Harry thought he was in mortal danger wandering round Fulham pressing random doorbells?

Some of your points I can understand. But I do think the 28 day thing is not out of spite and I don't see "revenge". Here's why.

1. Harry is getting State funded protection when he isn't a member of the WRF way beyond others who have been born to a reigning Monarch and are WRF This I think is a privilege which he ought to accept as such rather than complaining.

2. Giving 28 days I don't think is onerous for all the checking and research and making sure Met police etc have everything lined up. & Given his father is King - his (KC's ) diary will be booked up years in advance . Bringing his (H's) wife and children over to see Grandpa will probably need a good deal of notice anyway - and summer holidays in Scotland and holidays in Sandringham will be booked out so not difficult to plan a month in advance for a family holiday with state funded security.

3. I don't know but I imagine if there were to be a family crisis - all stops would be pulled out for Harry because the arrangement is "bespoke"

4. He can come over any time he likes at will at no notice if he pays for whatever security himself ( not Met police / paid for by the Govt.)

I don't honestly see this as revenge or spite , & I am not trying to be argumentative - I just really don't. I have to book to see my parents in case there's a big week at the golf club or they've booked a trip to the Lake District 😂& less famous or important people I defy you to meet.

Anyway, just a view but, as I say not trying to be argumentative - just a different view perhaps to your own.

But I guess that just as you know better than the security experts, you know better than 3 High Court judges too?

(Being a pedant here) one High Court judge, and then three Court of Appeal judges, including the Master of the Rolls, the most senior civil judge in the judiciary!

I was just highlighting the terms and conditions that H signed up to of his own free will. H was present at the coronation. He sat in the third/fourth row as Prince William took the oath on behalf of ALL members of the royal family.

The Prince kneeled before the King declaring: “I, William, Prince of Wales, pledge my loyalty to you, and faith and truth I will bear unto you, as your liege man of life and limb. So help me God.”

The oath of allegiance pledged by the heir to the King was given on behalf of all members of the Royal family. The Archbishop of Canterbury had been the first dignitary to offer allegiance, in his case on behalf of Bishops of the Church of England.

H has been in front of TV cameras several times since then, has Bryony at the Daily Mail and People on speed dial and email, and has not refuted any part of the oath. And per his Bradby interview, H is keen on this royalty and monarchy idea.

King moved by Prince William's act of loyalty

Indeed.

In fact:

'All of these issues have been examined repeatedly and meticulously by the courts, with the same conclusion reached on each occasion.'

“plasticheee” is how my little niece used to ask for that dreadful processed stuff that goes on top of burgers 😃 her mum calls it “plastic cheese”

Yes I’d prefer it if the monarchy was slimmed down or preferably abolished. I have sympathy for Harry because he’s the underdog in this situation. Also, he is not afraid to show his true feelings, so comes across as very human, faults and all.

As a lifelong fan of Georgette Heyer, I protest!

Anya Seton or Jean Plaidy would definitely have used those phrases. But you are doing it rather too brown if you mean to suggest that Ms Heyer would have indulged in such phrases. Not the thing, not the thing at all! 🤣

I see! Apologies you’ll have to forgive my ignorance about the minutiae of the oath-swearing.

BTW, Georgette Heyer does make for some light summer afternoon reading!

I wonder if we will get a new reinvention of the regency genre if KC3 decides to retire but not abdicate...regency romance in the era of social media could be an interesting take on the romance genre.

Per Microsoft Co-Pilot:
"Lady Eleanor Pingleton-Travers had never imagined that her fate would be sealed with a single notification. As the belle of London’s virtual Season, her carefully curated posts—featuring moonlit garden walks and ballgown selfies—had garnered the admiration of the ton.

Yet it was Lord Algernon Butterfields' cryptic message that set her heart aflame: “A love unspoken is a love unrealized. Meet me at midnight.” Against the backdrop of swirling rumors and strategically placed hashtags, Eleanor slipped out of her family’s grand estate, her silk skirts whispering against marble floors. The world watched through filtered glimpses, but only she knew that behind the screens, a romance was brewing more passionate than any viral spectacle."

Yes, you are quite right Serenster my mistake! 😆

I confess to having enjoyed the odd Georgette Heyer way back when 😀

He's certainly not an underdog! So wealthy and privileged!
Also, it's not ok to "show your feelings" if you're doing it to harm others and make money from it.

Didn’t he realise someone might go to the media with their ringgo camera footage? Actually he probably has no idea about such things.

So do you think RAVEC are being spiteful to the Princess Royal? To Edward and Sophie? What with them only having security when they're undertaking royal duties which have been planned previously?

If the Heyer accuracy is indicative of the rest, I think we can safely ignore anything further from the source in question.

Perhaps rather than allowing a perpetual derail into whether or not it is OK for Harry Mountbatten-Windsor to swan around expecting unprecedented and undeserved special treatment, we ought to go back to whether the unfortunate Markle progeny are liable to be merched at any moment.

No, because he's so used to it being him going to the media, and selling stories about others.
Boot, other foot.

How strange.

Time and time again I have heard Meghan and Harry detractors on here say unequivocally, stop advertising what you donate to.

How do you categorically know they didn't donate anonymously?

Ah. Thanks for the explanation of the name 😆

”Slimming down the monarchy” is not the same as republicanism though, is it? And you do seem to be in favour of more money being spent on Harry’s security 🤷‍♀️

Special protection also look after politicians, not just the Royals, so 28 days notice would seem eminently reasonable to allow for rosters to be adjusted as well as appropriate arrangements to be made if Harry wants to visit

typo and meant to add that I’m not sure Harry seems more human for showing his emotions when they mostly consist of “waaagh” 😆

Because they need to announce everything they do, it’s in their nature. There’s another thread right now about the good work Harry has done donating to a UK charity. Wonder how that info got out??? They don’t do anything unless it’s good PR.

I imagine the poor stable lass who he apparently lost his virginity too (the "older woman" who was also a teenager) and the benighted school matron he ridiculed would have been quite happy if fewer of his "true feelings" had been made public, to make him money.