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Wish I could go back and find all those posters who predicted a Kardashian-esqe social media blitz at some point in H&M's future, wonder where are all the posters who we're so affronted by the very idea of that.

People magazine and all, the uber celeb magazine.

I guess needs must with the downfall of her business efforts, \oh look, here are my kids whose privacy we have decided to forego for the greater good of taking the heat off what a crap business woman I am'.

Feel the need to point out that neither Australia or New Zealand has a president. Current head of state for both countries is King Charles.

It’s simple. If Harry had felt that he and his wife were respected and valued within the institution then he would have stayed.

Except we al know it wasn’t about the respect. It was about the fact that they were frustrated that as senior royals, they could not monetise their position to earn a private income. When they were told this was not possible, they chose to leave.

What happened to the wisdom and justice of kings? If you can’t manage your own family feuds how are you supposed to set a good example and be a competent head of state?

I think “don’t negotiate with terrorists” is a pretty good example to set?

Agree he should have stuck with the Marines!

And yet he saw each of his aunts and uncle, further away in the succession, living in £30 million pound accommodation?

No disrespect to the late Queen but I think things had stayed the same for too long. And Charles should have acted more incisively. Equally, it was a very difficult time with the decline of E and P and COVID of course.

But not easy for someone new to it all either.

And the role of Commonwealth ambassador, given the individual history of many of those countries, is understandably contentious for someone who is mixed race.

But there are plenty of examples where the RF monetise their roles. Their privileged tax position allows them to do this. And the Duchies.

To liken H & M to terrorists is a tad hyperbolic 😀

Omg I can’t believe I didn’t spot that! Duh!

And yet he saw each of his aunts and uncle, further away in the succession, living in £30 million pound accommodation?

They were the sons and daughter of the reigning monarch.

Harry was then only the grandson.

Talk about 1st world problems!

And the role of Commonwealth ambassador, given the individual history of many of those countries, is understandably contentious for someone who is mixed race.

Oh, FFS!

If they'd given the role to, say, Sophie, you'd be complaining about that too!

Sorry I just plucked roles out of my head as an example

And yet he saw each of his aunts and uncle, further away in the succession, living in £30 million pound accommodation?

That’s hindsight talking, though.

When his uncles and aunts got married and were given properties, they were higher up in the succession (Andrew was second, Edward third) than Harry was (third was his highest position) and the order of precedence, as children of the sovereign. Harry was sixth in line and the grandchild of the sovereign when he got married.

But there are plenty of examples where the RF monetise their roles. Their privileged tax position allows them to do this. And the Duchies.

Care to give some of these examples? And the Duchies are not “monetising their roles”. They are investment funds set up to fund the financial needs of the sovereign and the Prince of Wales respectively. Harry has one too by the way - his inheritance from his mother, along with any other money he was left by his grandmother and/or great grandmother. They too are invested and will produce an income.

I will ask you again @Plasticcheeeandgherkins (what is “cheee” btw? 😆), how does all this concern for the Sussexes and their place within the RF align with the fact that you have stated elsewhere that you are a republican?

And the role of Commonwealth ambassador, given the individual history of many of those countries, is understandably contentious for someone who is mixed race.

Yeah, so contentious that she CHOSE to have the flowers of each Commonwealth country embroidered onto her veil for her eyewateringly expensive, tax payer funded wedding. And said in her pre Mexit interviews she wanted to be a voice for the Commonwealth. And spent a lot of time claiming Canada was "home" until it wasn't and Nigeria was "home" until it wasn't. She didn't mind acting like and being received as a royal (complete with the UK national anthem, British flag and military inspection) in those Commonwealth countries.

And the role of Commonwealth ambassador, given the individual history of many of those countries, is understandably contentious for someone who is mixed race.

And that's a sweeping assumption and generalisation about the relationship people of colour within the Commonwealth have with their respective countries' relationships with the UK. You do realise that countries that were never UK colonies have applied to become part of the Commonwealth, don't you. Because it is not, as H&M would have you believe, "Empire 2.0". Any country is free to exit when they want to. It's a block of countries that help each other with trade, law, human rights issues and security. Or would you prefer those countries to turn to Russia and China?

Quite. What sort of Republican argues for bigger jobs, bigger property, bigger perks and more tax payer funded security for a minor royal and his wife who wants nothing to do with the UK?

She went accompanied by a camera crew.

It says everything about her.

We haven’t heard of any diva like behaviour from that period of her life have we?

There’s this

www.newsweek.com/meghan-described-meanest-person-ever-difficult-reitmans-advertising-shoot-1725436

Following their visit to Ireland shortly after their wedding, the silly 'Sussex Royal' website posted about 'Strengthening the Commonwealth', seemingly unaware that Ireland exited the Commonwealth in 1949.

"Whip smart" Meghan does it again.

Thanks, thought I'd posted that earlier but just realised didn't actually post it!

Clear behaviour when she was in a position of power.

😂😂😂

You have to give Harry equal credit for that gaff too, though. But certain republicans think he'd make a fine diplomat and statesman 🙄

That Ireland visit was described as their "mini-moon". So if they did (foolishly) think they were doing work to promote the Commonwealth in Ireland, mixed race Meghan clearly didn't think the association was problematic. She wore a nice, yellow shift dress iirc, so that's nice anyway.

If we do indeed agree to the reality of monarchy and the line of succession, then the rest of your post does not make sense to me.

H in an interview to Bradby said that he supported the monarchy. King Charles has a duty to the crown first and foremost and H as KC3's Duke and liege man of life and limb has a duty to support Charles.

The fact that KC3 cannot have a private conversation with the Duke of Sussex and expect it to remain private means that as King he cannot interact with this particular Duke. The fact that the Duke is violating the King's confidentiality is the root of the problem and the King has solved it by...not talking to the loudmouth, disloyal Duke.

Finally, H's feeling of what is due to him are irrelevant. H has been treated no worse than any other Spare, and in fact better than most Spares. It was not the monarchy's job to coddle H. It was H's duty when he accepted the title of Duke and in his role as a Prince of the Realm to bring glory and honour to the Realm by conducting himself in a manner befitting a Prince and not behaving like the court jester in a bad parody of royalty.

As well as being a horror on the Reitman's shoot, she was also pretty horrible to her publicist who was trying to break her into the UK; and also was a diva over 1st class travel and having a personal photographer on her visit to (I think) Rwanda, supposedly a "humanitarian" visit. It's all true because I read it in a book (Tom Bower's Revenge).

Thank you

It is wearing when people persist with the 'Empire 2.0' fallacy, and so insulting to the members of the Commonwealth.

Exactly. If you're pro Harry, you're certainly pro the privileges of royalty!

Oh I do wish the laugh emoji could be brought back - there have been so many posts I'd like to support while recognising the humour.

@bluegreygreen It is wearing when people persist with the 'Empire 2.0' fallacy, and so insulting to the members of the Commonwealth.

I agree with you.

This is one thing I do get a bit cross about , not fuming , not frothing , more a FFS kind of eyeball role sort of way. In the M&H docuseries the way the Empire was portrayed would scarcely have passed muster in a 13 yr old history class. Countries have voted to stay in the CW and even applied. It gives them many advantages - not least access to our legal system at the higher levels. The clips of the ENL or whoever it was were wildly out of context.
I personally don't believe any CW roles would have been problematic for M and H. They might have been really good at it methinks. But no. Wanted the titles and the RF cachet to make money. I hope they do make money because I'd also like at some point both to decide they have no role in the RF so just stop pretending and using the increasingly risible pretence they are Royal in any true sense. But 7 years isn't long. The RF will play a long game. If I were a betting woman , I know who my money is on. 😊

Surely you want the best protection for Harry when he visits here.

If Charles and Camilla are in Canada then I would expect our best protection/ security staff to be there. If at the same time William is in Edinburgh, Anne is in Cardiff and Sophie and Edward are in Birmingham all on Royal duty, whose protection/security should then be compromised if Harry just turns up unannounced. How can the protection/security get from where they are to do this? Prior notice of a visit ensures protection/security is there ready to do their job.

I would have thought Harry would understand that giving prior notice ensures that every detail is worked out to give Harry or any other visiting person the best protection/security.

And to be honest it's just bloody polite and courteous

I remember reading somewhere that a large part of the work of elite protection officers involves sitting at a computer, working out the best routes to locations, visiting venues and checking the entrances and exits, finding out who is likely to be present and so on. It's not like an episode of The Bodyguard. And of course the officers need time to do all this.

It's not out of spite that Harry is required to give a modest 28 days notice. It's in order to allow the experts to do their job. Which is what he wants, surely?