The marching of the Kings californian grandkids

[Thedom]

Wish I could go back and find all those posters who predicted a Kardashian-esqe social media blitz at some point in H&M's future, wonder where are all the posters who we're so affronted by the very idea of that.

People magazine and all, the uber celeb magazine.

I guess needs must with the downfall of her business efforts, \oh look, here are my kids whose privacy we have decided to forego for the greater good of taking the heat off what a crap business woman I am'.

A VIP who is an IPP will not make spontaneous visits without advance notice, no (and I know this because I have good friends who are diplomats). Even urgent visits are notified in advance - to their local embassy/high commisison and onwards. VIPs do it all the time, but as they are not IPPs, it’s not an issue.

This is not the case. He can come and go as he pleases.

With security then! It’s pretty obvious what I meant!

Once again you are evading the point I made . You said to another poster

"Thanks for that incisive insight in to her psyche.
Which you have gleaned from, er, having never met her, or anyone on the set?"

My point to you was that you are in exactly the same category as that poster. You have not met him. You are basing what you said on what you read in a book - which is fine but don't them slag off people because they have done the same thing as you.

A VIP is different to an IPO.

Harry wanted IPO status, despite clearly having VIP status as he gets to use the Windsor Suite at Heathrow which gives a different level of transit than the rest of us plebs.. He uses private airports, private planes, another VIP benefit.

He just has to pay for his own security in the same way Tom Cruise, Beyonce,etc would do when they are transiting through countries.

Oh please. I was quoting from a book written by someone who was there at the time.

That poster was making up stuff about how Meghan’s mind works. She wasn’t quoting someone from the set of Suits.

Can you really not understand the difference?

Fair enough. Thank you for this.

I still have some sympathy for Harry’s view that he holds a bit of a unique position in that he lives out of the country and yet remains irrevocably linked to the heart of the royal family as son of the monarch and brother of the heir. It is a bit of an unusual situation.

Lots of people as famous as Harry manage with their own (unarmed) security while visiting the UK. He will also get official protection if deemed necessary and he gives notice. I'm sure in an emergency, this would be rushed through too.

I firmly believe that what Harry wants is a level of security in all places at all times that he deems appropriate which he doesn't have to pay for. The last bit is key.

Yes I think he probably does because it costs a fortune! But he’s not in the UK that often?

I love those films

Not that unique - several royal families have prominent members living overseas permanently or long term (Denmark, Sweden, Japan for example).

New PR: Look up the definition of monarchy.

If in doubt as to who matters to the monarchy and who does not, feel free to look at the photos of a QE2 and her 3 direct heirs. And note that the late Queen had only 1 of her 4 kids in the photo, 1 of her 8 grandkids and 1 of her multitude of great grandkids.

Then understand that all the PR in the world will not alter reality. H has zero political power and zero political leverage. His temper tantrum has run its course, and he is now just embarrassing himself juggling, twerking and running his mouth to the media that he claims to hate.

Stick to trying to convince US consumers that a woman in the grandma age range can appeal to young people who are convinced people over age 30 had pet dinosaurs since they are so old. Good luck with that "skibidi toilet" strategy.

'And the little detail that came out about in the RAVEC trial about him discovering that other governments had been asked not to give him security kind of shows what he is up against.'

So he had no government security in Nigeria or Columbia? That's surprising - I was sure I' d seen plenty of government /military security during their tours.

But they don’t expect armed Met security when they do so. And being rich doesn’t make you an IPP. And I doubt that any actual IPP wouldn’t inform the country they are visiting first because they know what a burden it is. IPP status is not for shopping trips 🙄

So what are you suggesting?

That in demand specialist protection officers be on standby on the off chance that the 5th in line decides to pay a visit in between doing twerking videos with his wife?

It seems that you can't and you have adopted the Sussexes' tactic of do as I say not do as I do. How do you know they were making it up? Do you have the sight?

Those NYPD escorts in April of this year must also have been a figments of our imaginations.

Yes, and they take care of their own security arrangements.

They don't demand that specialist, taxpayer funded security officers twiddle their thumbs while awaiting their princely presence.

Anyway, Harry lost his case and his appeal so it's a non-issue now. He can stay in California or accept the - very generous - special security arrangements he enjoys in Britain. Up to him. He has no role to play in British public life so it's a matter of no importance to the nation whether he ever visits again or not.

Some fair points and I agree with you about the reality of the monarchy and the line of succession.

It’s very harsh collateral damage wise on the family relationships though.

It’s therefore incumbent on those who hold all of the power to manage the situation with tact and grace; before problems arise I mean.

And when problems do arise, you don’t as a parent turn your back and ostracise your own son and refuse to speak to them.

All of this could have been easily avoided if someone had looked ahead and given Harry a promotion in role and accommodation and paid attention to the fact that his step up to marriage was the only change in status that he had coming, unlike William who gets all of the Duchy of Cornwall income and ultimately the Crown.

It’s simple. If Harry had felt that he and his wife were respected and valued within the institution then he would have stayed.

What happened to the wisdom and justice of kings? If you can’t manage your own family feuds how are you supposed to set a good example and be a competent head of state?

Yes it’s settled. It’s just unpleasant to see the number of people relishing the situation when at the heart of it lies a family feud that most be distressing to all sides.

All of this could have been easily avoided if someone had looked ahead and given Harry a promotion in role and accommodation and paid attention to the fact that his step up to marriage was the only change in status that he had coming, unlike William who gets all of the Duchy of Cornwall income and ultimately the Crown.

Harry has had massive privileges that you or I could never dream of simply because of an accident of birth.

He got to be Captain General of the Royal Marines, have prestigious patronages, hang out with world leaders and have zero financial worries not because of merit, but because of his royal birth.

And you are saying this is not enough? You think if he got even more unearned privilege then it would all be fine and dandy?

Rather than further indulging this spoiled brat, a better strategy would surely be to remind him that he is better off than 99.99% of the population. The same system which gave Harry privilege above almost everyone else in the land is the system which means only 2 people outrank him. He's 3rd most highly ranked person in the realm FFS! If that's not enough for him, then he is the problem.

All of this could have been easily avoided if someone had looked ahead and given Harry a promotion in role and accommodation

He was given Colonel in Chief of Marines - and refused to attend their memorial service in favour of touting for a Disney role for his wife

He and his wife were offered roles as Commonwealth ambassadors (a huge honour, given the Queen's love of the Commonwealth which she considered one of her main legacies)

They had accommodation in a Christopher Wren cottage while awaiting a large apartment in Kensington Palace.

I don't think he was too badly off.

No, it's not about a family feud.

An individual who lives abroad and undertakes no official duties is not eligible for round the clock police protection.

And that's really all there is to it.

'All of this could have been easily avoided if someone had looked ahead and given Harry a promotion in role and accommodation and paid attention to the fact that his step up to marriage was the only change in status that he had coming, unlike William who gets all of the Duchy of Cornwall income and ultimately the Crown.'

The pair were in line for one of the biggest apartments at KP (the Gloucester' s apartment I think).

They'd been given Frog Cott and the millions to spruce it up.

They'd been given titles, patronage etc.

They married in mid 2018, and announced they were leaving in January 2020. So, 18 months. Kate and William were married 2 years before they had their KP apartment, and 4 years before Anmer Hall - before that they lived in Nottingham Cottage, which is way smaller than Frogmore Cottage. So it seems Harry and Meghan received preferential treatment.

And perhaps Charles is wary of speaking to Harry because every time he does, details of the conversations find their way into Harry and Meghan’s preferred media conduit.