The marching of the Kings californian grandkids

[Thedom]

Wish I could go back and find all those posters who predicted a Kardashian-esqe social media blitz at some point in H&M's future, wonder where are all the posters who we're so affronted by the very idea of that.

People magazine and all, the uber celeb magazine.

I guess needs must with the downfall of her business efforts, \oh look, here are my kids whose privacy we have decided to forego for the greater good of taking the heat off what a crap business woman I am'.

She went for photo op to keep her name in the press because her show was delayed. Get real.

A anonymous donation of £££££££s would have been better appreciated. But that doesn’t get your face in the press does it?

Thanks for taking the trouble to posting that information but I wasn’t saying that Harry necessarily qualifies for all of that in the USA. I was saying that the royal family shouldn’t influence whatever decision the USA make.

Indeed they shouldn't. Which is why they didn't.

There was no real decision to be made anyway. Harry is a private citizen and does not quality for government funded protection.

Remind me - how did she actually help?

But you said
Of course government diplomacy works like that. Civil servants in one country make it known to civil servants in other countries what would be acceptable to them. It’s quid pro quo.
So you were saying that somehow His Majesty’s government should have done a deal to ensure Harry was given security. Have you now changed your mind?

As you said in a post - were you there in the room with Charles when he was reading about Diana's popularity ? Oh you read about it ....so that is OK for you to say but not others? They have to actually BE there?

Yes, the RF nor Ravec would not be in a position to influence anyone, one way or the other.

Harry, Meghan and their kids do not even remotely meet the criteria for being an Internationally Protected Official. It would be like JK Rowling trying to get her security paid 24/7 at home and around the world by claiming she is in danger and therefore should be granted International Protection. It doesn't work like that.

In fact, JKR appears to be more in danger now than Harry and his family. the hate and threats that woman receives daily is on a different level to anything Harry receives.

Meghan was in a long running tv series for years. She grafted. The days are long on those sets. We haven’t heard of any diva like behaviour from that period of her life have we? It all starts funnily enough when she dares to marry a royal. Isn’t that a bit strange?

Yes we have, in Revenge, by Tom Bower. Which remains unchallenged as to its veracity.

That's because a Head of State is an IPP.

I really suggest you learn about what this arrangement is, and why a non-working, minor Royal not performing duties for a HoS or a Govt isn't an IPP.

I watched London has Fallen (a documentary), there were Presidents & PMs getting blown up all across London.

Thank God Gerry Butler was there.

It was mentioned in Ken Wharfe’s book I think. Or one of Diana’s private secretaries. I didn’t pluck it out of the air. Several ex courtiers have said the same thing in televised interviews.

She was walking all over the burned out homes and the ashes of the belongings of people who were not allowed to return to them because it was illegal to do so. She performatively hugged someone whom she'd actually brought with her. All for a photo op to make her look good. That's not helping anyone, and it's downright disgusting and manipulative.

Gossip in other words. You read and believed gossip.

Interesting that Meghan has had nothing to say about the situation in her home state

It's a complex situation @IcedPurple and doesn't really lend itself to camera hungry appearances and word salad, which may be why Meghan's well advised to keep away

Not that either appear to listen to advice, but maybe - just maybe - it's dawned that there are better minds at work on this?

So basically you were not there so the other poster you slated has as much right to their opinion as yours and it was a silly comment.

I was saying that the royal family shouldn’t influence whatever decision the USA make.

It is not a US decision, its not a UK decision. The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic relations is signed by 190 countries, it is clearly detailed what type of person / role is covered by this, and what the criteria is for it to be determined who is an International Protected Official. The 200 countries have agreed to abide by this treaty, they don't all pick and choose who can avail of being an IPO, it is definitely not for celebrities thats for sure. .

North Korea might be an option for him, they haven't signed the Treaty.

This is how the US support foreign officials on their territory, this is the cover Harry wantsin the US, despite him not being a diplomat or an official in any capacity.

Protecting officials from harm today no longer means just having a Bodyguard nor is it a simple task of physically shielding the individual from attack. Days or weeks are spent in preparation for a single visit. Thus, the agencies recruit qualified personnel and expend months of training to teach these individuals the complicated concepts, methods, and techniques of protective security. The same concepts that apply to protecting our diplomats and residential areas abroad apply to protecting visiting foreign officials and their residences in the United States.

So many posters on here tried to argue that her visit was genuine and we were just ‘haters’ for questioning it. God, the amount of gaslighting that used to go on was crazy.

So you are telling me that no arrangements are cobbled together on the spot when a VIP unexpectedly transits through a country on a spontaneous trip? Not that it matters in this context really but let’s just say that I think there is more flexibility in the real world than all of these regulations suggest.

So you are telling me that no arrangements are cobbled together on the spot when a VIP unexpectedly transits through a country on a spontaneous trip?

How just how can they be cobbled together? If the trained personnel are say watching the President of Australia on a visit here and then the New Zealand President turns up unannounced are you expecting the Australian President to have his security drooped so they can all scuttle off to protect New Zealand President? All these trips by visiting dignitaries are mapped out to the nth degree.

As has been said on many threads we don't, in this country, have these people sitting around twiddling their thumbs just waiting for VIPs to turn up, they could be anywhere - perhaps even with Charles in Canada etc

This was the problem with Harry. He didn't want to give notice of his trips he just wanted to turn up which I have never understood because I would want my protection fully explored and not cobbled together at the last minute

What? I said I read it in a book.

Here we are:
https://royal-insider.com/2022/08/30/diana-princess-of-wales-bodyguard-charles-jealous/

It was written in Ken Wharfe’s book about Diana.

It is unlikely that they would do that. As I said previously, Heads of state and their governments are fully aware of the trouble that the security forces of another country are put to if they visit, so they do not rock up unannounced. If they are “passing through” for whatever reason, then they are likely to be remaining in the airport, which will already be geared up to receive and look after this type of passenger. They will also likely have their own protection with them. As I said before, this is part of Harry’s problem. He wants security to be available to him on a whim. That is just not practicable even without taking in to account the costs involved

I’m sure if an actually important person eg Macron or Zelensky have to make a sudden important overseas trip, it is possible to get the security in place because they are actually serving a purpose, unlike a dumb prince wanting to pop back to watch a polo match.

Yes. And another difference is that they would at least tell the country they were visiting beforehand (because no overseas visit is truly completely unexpected, someone has to know so they can make arrangements). Harry just wants to come and go as he pleases with no announcement but with the expectation of an armed escort

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So no very high profile Emirates Sheikh or a wife of the Omani or Quatar royal family has ever taken a spontaneous shopping trip to London?

Very rich people have the ability to travel all around the world on a whim. That’s mostly what they do.

I think it is harsh on Harry that he has to give 28 days notice to return to his home country where his father is king.