The marching of the Kings californian grandkids

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Wish I could go back and find all those posters who predicted a Kardashian-esqe social media blitz at some point in H&M's future, wonder where are all the posters who we're so affronted by the very idea of that.

People magazine and all, the uber celeb magazine.

I guess needs must with the downfall of her business efforts, \oh look, here are my kids whose privacy we have decided to forego for the greater good of taking the heat off what a crap business woman I am'.

Small bedroom in an actual fucking castle! Give me a break.

I know. Imagine growing up in palaces and castles and moaning about the size of your bedroom. Unbelievable.

The entitlement and arrogance are off the scale. There’s something wrong with the way he’s been brought up.

Jealous of William. Plain as the nose on your face. I can’t make it out. I’d much rather be the spare. All the prestige not too much of the strain. Especially when George Charlotte and Louis get a bit older.

Very possibly . But whilst I think there are certificates to prove H isn't academically clever , there are different ways of being intelligent. He's done enough with charities when he was young ( not so much recently by a long chalk it would seem ) to realise those who are truly in need. If he can't recognise his privilege by now - well - not sure he ever will. Since he and M left for the US I have heard a lot from him abut what he hasn't got and not so much gratitude for what he has. Mr A.n.other Captain (retired) getting multi million pound NF deals - with no ideas other than family gossip? - Saying that because he didn't get security he wasn't entitled to is an Establishment stitch up. ? That to me is just blinding refusal to consider any other POV than his own. & given he has a wife who wan't brought up so - you would have hoped he could have broadened his mind beyond the world owes me a living and respect just because of my birth.

Can we add “ snippets “ to the bingo card ?

Very possibly . But whilst I think there are certificates to prove H isn't academically clever , there are different ways of being intelligent.

There are indeed different ways of being intelligent.

The trouble is Harry appears to possess none of them.

You beat me to it, IcedPurple

However it occurs to me to wonder, @BasiliskStare - and after that article about Sophie - whether we'll soon see a fresh "initiative" from Meghan involving VAWG

Oh dear god, please.
Every. Single. Time.
Plus, on what planet is "Spare" a snippet? Oprah? The Netflix series? The Tom Bradby interview, the BBC interview? Such huge, deep and revealing "snippets" 🙄

It would surprise me, because she's not got the mettle. It's a tough thing to read about, support and discuss. Too much for Meghan - for her it's fashion, jam, dried flowers and pictures with the children. That's really her limit.

If Meghan approaches a subject like VAWG in the way she did with that poor mother talking about the loss of her baby to AIDS, I truly don't want to see it.

Honestly if everything M did in her life was perfect except for that one occasion, I still would have no respect for her. If you have ever had someone dismiss your feelings about something that was upsetting or distressing for you, you will understand how I feel.

I hope you're right, OctopusFriend, but as the two last posters have said the attitude towards someone genuinely suffering doesn't lend a lot of confidence

Neither did the way both H&M behaved towards bereaved parents during the "Parents Network" launch, so maybe it's just as well that little's been heard of it since then ... though like practically everything else they do I guess it enabled more pretence

Yes, I just think it's best if Meghan - and Harry - stay away from these very challenging issues. You need proper skills to even approach this, you need to be sensitive and thoughtful and treat people with decency and respect. It's not for them

What is the bingo card?

Oh I think it was both of them.

But surely you are equally using snapshots and snippets to conclude that he is a happy and decent bloke. Why is your take on him more valid than others? You seem to be his defender and supporter but based on what?

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He was also a very good soldier by all accounts.

Not all the accounts I have heard agree with you about that. How many people who served with him do you actually know?

To go to the public domain for a moment, I'm not at all sure that members of his platoon whom he called "our little P*ki friend" and "a raghead" in his video diary held an enormously high opinion of him after it was made public in 2009, even if they grinned and put up with it face to face in the knowledge that they'd be the ones in trouble if they complained about a member of the royal family using offensive nicknames for them.

Good soldiers do not denigrate people on their own side.

Even Meghan's much heralded advocacy pre-Harry was pretty much all performative IMO. All very much easy surface level, nothing in depth. Very much what a celeb wants arranged for them to do to make them look good.

You need to be very empathetic to support some causes and Sophie has it in abundance. Meghan seems to struggle with anything that's 'about you and not about me'.

I think the two of them are doing well for just getting out of bed in the morning considering the onslaught of negativity that is directed at them globally atm, never mind grinning from ear to ear.

It must be really to read endless negative stories and comments about yourself and be subjected to that level of scrutiny. Like them or loathe them, I think they deserve credit for at least trying to move on with their lives.

It’s probably a relief to live with relative freedom outside of the RF too. I bet Harry is enjoying that aspect of it. And the opportunity to raise his dc differently to how he was raised.

I don’t blame him for feeling very rejected by the royal family either. It was a hasty thing to do but I think he perhaps threatened to go thinking that they actually loved him and would genuinely want him back, and he was was very hurt when he discovered how resolutely they turned their backs and closed ranks. Hence him ramping everything up.

And the little detail that came out about in the RAVEC trial about him discovering that other governments had been asked not to give him security kind of shows what he is up against.

The bloke has legitimate reasons to be happy and unhappy just like the rest of us.

It must be really to read endless negative stories and comments about yourself and be subjected to that level of scrutiny.

Didn't Meghan say that all the stuff written about her is just 'noise' and that she only reads The Economist?

I don’t blame him for feeling very rejected by the royal family either. It was a hasty thing to do but I think he perhaps threatened to go thinking that they actually loved him and would genuinely want him back, and he was was very hurt when he discovered how resolutely they turned their backs and closed ranks. Hence him ramping everything up.

But 'they' never excluded him from the family. The late Queen made it very clear in her statement that Harry, Meghan and Archie remain beloved family members. They just couldn't represent the monarchy while merching their titles on the side.

We don't need to go through this again do we?

And the little detail that came out about in the RAVEC trial about him discovering that other governments had been asked not to give him security kind of shows what he is up against.

But that didn't come out in the trial at all.

It's a claim Harry made, and surely everyone knows that his grasp on reality is rather tenuous.

You can't possibly believe that 'they' were on the phone to 'other governments' telling them what to do? Do you really believe this is how the royals work, and that 'other governments' follow the wishes of a foreign monarchy?

Come on!

Didn't Meghan say that all the stuff written about her is just 'noise' and that she only reads The Economist?

Very wise of her! Happy to hear it!

But 'they' never excluded him from the family. The late Queen made it very clear in her statement that Harry, Meghan and Archie remain beloved family members. They just couldn't represent the monarchy while merching their titles on the side.
We don't need to go through this again do we?

Recollections may vary! And of course the RF are going to pretend to be loving in public. Charles and William run commercial organisations which each make £21 million pound profits annually. If that’s not half in half out, I don’t know what is? So how come the RF are the only ones who can merch? What about Duchy Originals? What about Royal Warrants? Do you think they they pay full price for all of their Land Rovers? Or for all of their Fortnum and Mason goodies?

But that didn't come out in the trial at all.
It's a claim Harry made, and surely everyone knows that his grasp on reality is rather tenuous.
You can't possibly believe that 'they' were on the phone to 'other governments' telling them what to do? Do you really believe this is how the royals work, and that 'other governments' follow the wishes of a foreign monarchy?
Come on!

Of course government diplomacy works like that. Civil servants in one country make it known to civil servants in other countries what would be acceptable to them. It’s quid pro quo.

It came out after the trial and there was an interesting wall of silence about it in the press. And few journalists seemed bothered to investigate further about the senior civil servant who went in to discussions supporting Harry’s case and having spoken to the RF then changed his mind! Many reporters have found it more lucrative to write articles bashing H and M sadly.

Of course government diplomacy works like that. Civil servants in one country make it known to civil servants in other countries what would be acceptable to them. It’s quid pro quo.

No it isn’t. Why would another country pay for security for someone who isn’t an IPP? Security is expensive and they are not going to spend money on someone who has quit the job of representing their country. This is Harry’s problem. He expects to be able to rock up somewhere and be given security. Which other members of the RF do that, even the ones who are IPP’s? Have you ever heard of the King just deciding on a whim to visit a mate in the States? They are well aware of the security headache that would cause for the US. State and official visits are an entirely different matter. So no government was ever going to pay security for Harry just to sit on his garden. He is chatting shit as usual

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Recollections may vary!

Not really. It's in the Queen's statement.

"Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family."

https://www.royal.uk/statement-her-majesty-queen-0

The rest of your paragraph is entirely unconnected to the topic at hand so I'll ignore.

It came out after the trial and there was an interesting wall of silence about it in the press.

It didn't 'come out'. It was a claim made by Harry, with zero evidence. Given Harry's extremely tenuous grasp on reality, I would say it needs to be taken with a cellar full of salt.

Of course government diplomacy works like that. Civil servants in one country make it known to civil servants in other countries what would be acceptable to them. It’s quid pro quo.

That's not what 'quid pro quo' means.

So you reckon it went like this.

"Hi representative of other government. I'm her to tell you that HM government wants you not to provide security to the Queen's grandson and his family. Of course as private citizens they aren't actually entitled to any security and of course the British govt can't make any such demands of you. But the Queen would really really love for her grandson, his wife and their baby son to have no security when in your country. So please do something that you weren't going to do anyway. That's incredibly important to her. On behalf of HM the Queen, thanks other country!"