How can Harry be so deluded?

[HiRen]

The paranoia deepens

I don't really know what to conclude from this other than that Harry must feel the victim of a deep state conspiracy. Being a spoilt brat, and not understanding that he's there to serve his country rather than the country being there to serve him, can't help. Even if he did fear strategic delays, why would he jump to the conclusion that specific individuals have it in for him, rather than that there's a bigger picture to consider?

I just can't fathom the depths of misery and confusion he must experience on a daily basis. He must think his whole life was a lie until he met Meghan. I really do think things with Harry are much worse than they seem. Which puts an entirely different, and much darker, gloss on all of Meghan's utterings of her era of joy.

I honestly wouldn't want to be in their orbit. And I wonder whether those who remain in their orbit are desperate, whether as friends or employees. They're too much.

Surely he can’t be that thick to realise that legally Camilla was the last Princess of Wales before Catherine? She just chose to go by a different title 🤣🫣

Any woman married to the Prince of Wales is automatically going to be the Princess of Wales. You’d have to eliminate the entire title of Prince of Wales.

Meh 🤷🏼‍♀️

If Henry VII and Princess Elizabeth were happy enough to bestow the title on their sons despite tricky Uncle Dicky deposing her brothers, i’m sure the title can survive Andrew.

The Duke of Yorks have always been known for being difficult (read absolute knobheads). I think George VI was the only one who didn’t have that reputation and even then he could have quite the temper on him (although given how he was treated by his nanny and parents I can forgive him for it, poor lad).

Or Andrew could remarry and have a son and the title would not be available.

Probably his roundabout way of trying to prevent William from becoming PoW. Because it identifies him so clearly as the heir.

I disagree.

I think it makes Andrew (and by extension any wrongdoing of his) seem more important if the title is no longer used.
The continuation of a centuries-old title should not depend on one person.

Edit: sorry - was supposed to quote @Weepixies post

Very much agree with this (😂at "tricky uncle Dicky") Mind you, Henry VII would have been on Insta trying to convince everyone that the Plantagenets weren't All That and he had a rightful claim and doling out free flower sprinkles. Not so much "Spare" as "Who?" really, even with benefit of conquest.

If the title "King" relied on the moral merits of past holders though, it wouldn't have gone past Henry VIII.

Yes, this exactly. I'm glad Kate is the Princess of Wales, and I hope Louis will be the Duke of York.

As far as I remember, Henry VII's only claim to the throne by blood was that one of his male ancestors had sex with the widow of a previous King of England, which amounts to no blood-claim at all; he also claimed descent from Arthur. (Arthur's only son was Mordred, so that's not exactly a recommendation!) But conquest worked. That and killing off absolutely anyone else with any claim at all, sometimes on such damning grounds as "was sent a letter by an aunt who lived in Ireland"....

Henry VII claim was a tenuous one through his mother Margaret Beaufort who was descended from the legitimised line on John of Gaunt’s marriage to his mistress and subsequently third wife Katherine Swynford.

(I think The legitimised line had been barred from the succession.)

How do I know this? Katherine by Anya Seton, my favourite ever book!

I’m totally geeking out about this Tudor talk 🤣🤭

Edmund and Jasper Tudor were Henry VI’s half brothers after their mother, Catherine of Valois, remarried Owen Tudor after Henry V’s death. This obviously didn’t affect Henry’s claim to the throne but he was royal adjacent being Henry VI’s (half) nephew.

But yeah, Henry Tudor won the throne by Right of Conquest.

The extremely tenuous (to put it very charitably) Tudor claim does explain how shit scared they were of any Plantagenet with a better one lineage wise (ie all of them) even years later.

Rocky old crown at times and puts the travails of today into perspective, dog bowls, shortbread mix and all. William will be fine. All he has to do is carry on doing what he's doing, because whatever the Montecito Two do, it is not Bosworth Field.

Love "Royal adjacent" @PrettyFlyforaMaiTai 😂

Thanks! That's the one I meant: I couldn't remember her name! Catherine of Valois. Only that Henry VII was the son of the widow of a King of England stuck in my mind.

Scott Rouse from the Behaviour Panel on the twerking video:

Could this be something M&H mocked up for fun recently? Well post her giving birth to Lili? Read the trend for dancing to this song more recent than 4 plus years ago also.

A theory is that they shot lots of reconstruction footage for their Netflix doc (eg the footage of Harry's proposal, details of which differed quite a lot from the account in the Mishal Hussein engagement interview); and this was reconstruction footage of what it was like when M gave birth to Lily, in keeping with Harry's description in Spare, but it wasn't used in the Netflix doc in the end - probably because it is transparently, unrealistically crap.

One of the things that struck me about that video - and Scott mentions it too - is that there are no personal items anywhere in shot. That strikes me as inauthentic because either it's staged and not in their actual delivery suite or they deliberately moved anything identifiable out of the way which would indicate that they always intended to show it to the world, also showing lack of authenticity and a show for the masses.

Agreed. She's not in a hospital gown, not hooked up to any monitors, wearing jewelry, which apparently is not allowed. They are not interacting with each other. She is able to squat down easily and come up easily without losing balance - no help from Harry required, and he is showing no concern she is ok doing so. In stark contrast to the TikTok videos of other pregnant women doing this dance, who all require help and are moving very differently and, less free and carefully. The Royal Grift looked at a video from the Santa Monica hospital in question. They are not in a delivery suite (a much bigger room); they are in a post delivery suite.

It is another attention seeking sham.

I am not even sure she is pregnant. The bump is wonky and not smooth. There is nothing about her movements that indicate she is actually carrying a baby. No one at 9 months could safely squat like that, or who would want to. Not many people wear black funeral / dinner dresses to deliver their baby either. Particularly given Harry is in jeans and a hoodie.

I think this stupid brainless video will be the final nail in their creditability coffin.

Who is going to offer them work anywhere? Who is going to believe anything they say now? Who wants to be in any way associated with this diabolical circus - their ‘brand’ is now properly toxic and in tatters. They are increasingly using their poor children as vehicles to aid their publicity stunts.

My god, I feel sorry for the poor children growing up in this narcissistic freak show. If nothing else I so wish they had some protective factors such as a loving family or church, but they don’t. Honestly it’s heart breaking to watch.

You would have thought that the twerking would have driven off sponsors/partners, so
it surprises me that Disney has supposedly gifted them the Disneyland trip, $15k special suite an’ all.

Does this company believe it beneficial to be linked to them? I suppose they must do.

It’s mind boggling isn’t it.

It's more about exposure. So long as the connection isn't actively harmful (and you don't get little kids not asking to go to Disneyland because of H&M, and I doubt parents would refuse on those grounds either), what they've got is a load of free media content right before the summer holidays, for what will actually cost them far far less than the advertised price of the suite and tickets.

Oh, and Disney presumably didn't know their pics would be sitting next to a twerking video.

They know that H&M make the headlines. They also know how keen they are to self promote and use the children. So it's perfect for Disney.

how do we know it was gifted? In any case it would have gifted before the strange and off-putting video of Meghan. but more importantly, aren't there much more deserving people who should be gifted a trip like this? the Sussexes are rich. and should have pass the gift to some under privileged children