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How can Harry be so deluded?

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HiRen · 04/06/2025 17:38

The paranoia deepens

I don't really know what to conclude from this other than that Harry must feel the victim of a deep state conspiracy. Being a spoilt brat, and not understanding that he's there to serve his country rather than the country being there to serve him, can't help. Even if he did fear strategic delays, why would he jump to the conclusion that specific individuals have it in for him, rather than that there's a bigger picture to consider?

I just can't fathom the depths of misery and confusion he must experience on a daily basis. He must think his whole life was a lie until he met Meghan. I really do think things with Harry are much worse than they seem. Which puts an entirely different, and much darker, gloss on all of Meghan's utterings of her era of joy.

I honestly wouldn't want to be in their orbit. And I wonder whether those who remain in their orbit are desperate, whether as friends or employees. They're too much.

Harry and Meghan explored changing surname to Spencer amid children’s passport delays

Exclusive: source says couple feared unexplained wait was due to king’s opposition to their children bearing HRH title

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/04/harry-and-meghan-explored-changing-surname-to-spencer-amid-childrens-passport-delays

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AtIusvue · 08/06/2025 14:41

Saying nothing is the worst thing you can do do- didn’t they say that once? Calling out the Palaces silence when there were Meg articles.

Well, what are they saying now? Nowt.

Probably want to keep in the right side of Trump and they won’t say anything.

IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2025 15:08

Quirkswork · 08/06/2025 11:27

Mocking but also living off the benefits of the mocked.

Absolutely. Hypocrisy.

IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2025 15:10

bluegreygreen · 08/06/2025 14:09

Is the Dukedom a hereditary one, or does it return to the crown like Edinburgh?

It's hereditary, it goes to Archie, who is currently the Earl of Dumbarton.

IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2025 15:14

Thanks for those links, @BemusedAmerican . I'm sure that the average American has far more pressing issues and concerns than following the desperate actions of a middle aged royal with no official role.
Those scenes you've linked are very troubling.

Uricon2 · 08/06/2025 15:15

IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2025 15:10

It's hereditary, it goes to Archie, who is currently the Earl of Dumbarton.

I wonder if that's something Charles/William will consider changing, all the royal Dukedoms reverting to the Crown on the death of the holder. Heir keeps subsidary title.

smilesy · 08/06/2025 15:18

Uricon2 · 08/06/2025 15:15

I wonder if that's something Charles/William will consider changing, all the royal Dukedoms reverting to the Crown on the death of the holder. Heir keeps subsidary title.

I don’t think it goes any further than Archie though. Can’t remember why but I’m pretty sure that the case 🤷‍♀️

IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2025 15:19

Uricon2 · 08/06/2025 15:15

I wonder if that's something Charles/William will consider changing, all the royal Dukedoms reverting to the Crown on the death of the holder. Heir keeps subsidary title.

I doubt it. They only did it with Edinburgh because it's a special title they wanted to keep in the RF. There will be Dukes of Sussex in perpetuity in the USA.

IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2025 15:21

smilesy · 08/06/2025 15:18

I don’t think it goes any further than Archie though. Can’t remember why but I’m pretty sure that the case 🤷‍♀️

The Prince title stops with Archie. If he has a son, he will be the Duke of Sussex at some point. Rather like the Kents and the Gloucesters. The current holders are Princes, their heirs are not

IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2025 15:22

AtIusvue · 08/06/2025 14:41

Saying nothing is the worst thing you can do do- didn’t they say that once? Calling out the Palaces silence when there were Meg articles.

Well, what are they saying now? Nowt.

Probably want to keep in the right side of Trump and they won’t say anything.

Yep. "Silence is complicity". Funny how they have been silent about all the vile stuff heaped on William and Kate.

Serenster · 08/06/2025 15:23

It’s too late to have the Ket and Gloucester titles come back to the Crown, and there are no shortage of heirs in those families, so the next generation of both will be non-royal Dukes, and just part of the UK peerage thereafter. But the Duke of York title - arguably the most historic of all - will revert back to the Crown on Andrew’s death, and so would be available to be bestowed on future second sons if desired. Like the Princess Royal title - given for life only.

HonoriaBulstrode · 08/06/2025 15:23

There will be Dukes of Sussex in perpetuity in the USA.

Only as long as there's a male heir. If Archie has no son, it will end with him.

IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2025 15:23

HonoriaBulstrode · 08/06/2025 15:23

There will be Dukes of Sussex in perpetuity in the USA.

Only as long as there's a male heir. If Archie has no son, it will end with him.

Yes, indeed 👍

HonoriaBulstrode · 08/06/2025 15:25

It’s too late to have the Kent and Gloucester titles come back to the Crown

Which is a shame, because those have been royal dukedoms since the Middle Ages.

Serenster · 08/06/2025 16:17

I did a proper double take at one sentence in that article, bluegreygreen:

Lauded equestrian, famed wit and the balustrade of the Windsors, Anne is known as one of the hardest working members of the royal family…

I wonder if it was written by AI? Because that is not a usage of balustrade recognised by English dictionaries (and a bit unflattering to Anne! 🤣 ). Or was the author thinking of a pillar?

bluegreygreen · 08/06/2025 16:19

Can imagine Anne having a laugh at that vision, though!

IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2025 16:20

"balustrade"! Brilliant! Yes, that would make her laugh 😂

Uricon2 · 08/06/2025 16:21

The last DoS before Harry (Augustus, son of George III, d 1843) was an interesting chap. He more than once ignored the Royal Marriages Act and wed without permission. Anti slave trade and quite liberal and intelligent by the sound of it.

I know it's tainted by its current holder but think Duke of York will be used again, poss for Louis.

IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2025 16:22

Uricon2 · 08/06/2025 16:21

The last DoS before Harry (Augustus, son of George III, d 1843) was an interesting chap. He more than once ignored the Royal Marriages Act and wed without permission. Anti slave trade and quite liberal and intelligent by the sound of it.

I know it's tainted by its current holder but think Duke of York will be used again, poss for Louis.

Yes, and get a better association, one hopes!

MrsFinkelstein · 08/06/2025 16:54

IMO they won't use the York title again for decades, if ever. Going to take a very long time for the stench to leave that title.

IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2025 16:56

MrsFinkelstein · 08/06/2025 16:54

IMO they won't use the York title again for decades, if ever. Going to take a very long time for the stench to leave that title.

I wonder if giving it to Louis would get rid of that association, and be a positive link to George V and George VI who were both Dukes of York.
I remember people saying on here that Kate would never be the Princess of Wales because of the association with Diana. Yet here we are.
You can't let personalities get in the way of these things

Mylovelygreendress · 08/06/2025 17:41

I read that Harry didn’t want Catherine to be POW. He felt that his Mum should have been the last one .

IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2025 17:44

Mylovelygreendress · 08/06/2025 17:41

I read that Harry didn’t want Catherine to be POW. He felt that his Mum should have been the last one .

Yes, that's exactly why it was important that she took the title. The tradition is more important than the person.
I wonder if that's a source of some of his petulance, and why he's never called out the awful treatment of Kate by some of his more devoted fans?

Weepixie · 08/06/2025 17:52

The current Duke of York should be the last one ever.

RandyRedHumpback · 08/06/2025 17:54

AtIusvue · 08/06/2025 14:02

I seriously hope moving forward, Harry focuses his attention on little Archie.

It’s clear, for whatever reason, that Meg sees Lili being a part of her business future. She mentioned it specifically on her last podcast episode with Tina Knowles and in her interview with People magazine, for the As ever launch:

“The landing page of asever.com features a photo of Meghan and Lilibet hand in hand in their backyard, surrounded by trees. Having her daughter on the site was especially meaningful for Meghan.
“Being able to have my own little girl, as I’ve spent so much of my life championing the rights of girls and women, and to be able to see this as a multigenerational story — Archie is of course included in that, my husband is of course included in that — but I love the heritage feeling of it and knowing this is something that I can create in front of my daughter and teach her what it’s like to be a working mom,” she says. “This is something that hopefully can be part of her legacy too.”

It’s strange, that Archewell productions and the Archewell foundation, named after Archie- she’s never once mentioned this being part of Archie’s legacy and him becoming part of the business.
Its also odd, that as Archie will be the one to inherit the Dukedom, you would think she would be pushing this ‘heritage’ angle but hasn’t. Talking about Archie fulfilling his legacy of becoming the Duke of Sussex working on behalf of the Archewell foundation/Invictus blah blah.

All the focus is on Lili for some reason. It’s was deluge of pics for her bday, but only one pic for Archie. Even the Disney pics seem off. Archie seems to have to be manhandled by his parents in ways that Lili, the younger child isn’t. I don’t think they understand that it seems obvious from the outside now that the children are being treated differently. We know how that affected Harry’s mindset, so he really should be a little more aware.

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I heard someone day Archie's inheritance will be Invictus - as if the charity is Harry's to give away. However, Archie will need to enter the military. American or UK is the question. And would he be getting a soft ride through like his father if he did?

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