How can Harry be so deluded?

[HiRen]

The paranoia deepens

I don't really know what to conclude from this other than that Harry must feel the victim of a deep state conspiracy. Being a spoilt brat, and not understanding that he's there to serve his country rather than the country being there to serve him, can't help. Even if he did fear strategic delays, why would he jump to the conclusion that specific individuals have it in for him, rather than that there's a bigger picture to consider?

I just can't fathom the depths of misery and confusion he must experience on a daily basis. He must think his whole life was a lie until he met Meghan. I really do think things with Harry are much worse than they seem. Which puts an entirely different, and much darker, gloss on all of Meghan's utterings of her era of joy.

I honestly wouldn't want to be in their orbit. And I wonder whether those who remain in their orbit are desperate, whether as friends or employees. They're too much.

That’s actually a good point. Harry was more extroverted and a cheeky chappy, whereas William seems to have a very dry sense of humour and is quite self deprecating. It’s easier to see now that Harry’s louder personality has been removed from the picture.

Ironically, Harry seems to have become quite subdued and moody in public recently.

Graham Norton is also very close to the production of his wines - he flies over the New Zealand annually so he can be there for the blending and tasting.

Anyway, perfumes and wines are good money spinner, and obviously involve partnering with an established business so there should be no stock and logistics concerns, so hopefully this will do well. It would have to sell an awful lot to make millions though - given it’s a pairing with an existing business so Meghan will get a cut of the profits, not all of them.

Meghan’s Whine.

Good to drink alongside Harry’s Bitter 🤣

Brilliant! 😂😂

In many cultures people bow to their elders, private or not, family or not. It's a mark of respect and it's tradition, much as a bow or curtsey to royalty is.

Nothing to do with being a family or an institution.

In my dh’s culture, people always stand up when other people enter the room. They will then greet each other by shaking hands or a kiss on both cheeks.

That's normal UK culture too, for many. Meghan's family probably didn't have those sorts of manners though. She doesn't seem to have much respect for older family members.

William is protecting the actual mother of his children from a five-year campaign of reputational destruction, pushed by two people and their well-documented online PR network - from bot armies to blue ticks - who’ve worked to brand her as racist, cold, and complicit. Let’s be crystal clear: Harry and Meghan are directly responsible for online hate accounts like this one (yes, one of the “Squad” accounts boosted by their network). The same PR orbit the New York Times confirmed was behind the cruel, persistent hounding of a mother - one we now know was quietly enduring cancer.

Just on this point, I notice on X today that Meghan’s supporter’s are back posting pornographic photoshopped images of Kate. Back from the days when she was William’s girlfriend and appallingly harrassed by the press. They upskirted her constantly (this is thankfully a criminal act these days, but back then, Kate was “fair game”…). Anyway, the supporters have taken one of these frankly completely unacceptable upskirted photos of Kate - as if that wasn’t bad enough - and photoshopped out her underwear.

All the while telling us that no-one has ever been treated as badly by the Press or haters as Meghan was, of course.

Different families - and different cultures - have different greeting traditions.

I worked for a while overseas in a culture that was very tactile, and got used to exchanging hugs with people I hardly knew. If you step outside your own little circle then you'll find yourself having to adapt to things you don't necessarily agree with (one colleague currently doesn't shake hands with women, so he gives a little bow instead to indicate respect, I think men and women should be treated the same).

If Meghan really objected to the curtseying she should have rejected the whole shebang - no public wedding, not become a working royal. Said upfront I am marrying the man I love but I am.not going along with the trappings of a culture/ tradition that conflicts with my values.

I understand why they curtsey to the monarch in the family. It is an acknowledgement of the sovereign's special status. If the family don't believe in it how could anyone else?

Probably the same kind of family that I’m from where if I meet anyone younger than me they kiss my head then my hand regardless of where we are. There’s just no such thing as not having to/deciding not to, even in public. And once they’ve done that I would then kiss the top of their head, then give them a wee kiss on the cheek because I love them.

As for me - well despite getting off to horrible start with my sister in laws who are all older than me life has mellowed all of us and one of the greatest pleasures in our now wonderful relationships is being round them and kissing the top of their head, then their hands, to show just how much I love and respect them. I then bend down (I would never expect them to stand for me) so they can greet me the same way but once they have I always straighten up and kiss their head again. Of course we kiss each others cheeks and have a cuddle as well, but not until our equivalent of the curtsey is over and long may it last.

Sorry, I can’t edit my post on my IPAD.

Absolutely. To marry into an hereditary monarchy with protocols - you learn and you adapt.
You don't want to? Fine. Don't take the title, money, status and privilege.

I think they know the King won’t do that. I suspect he’ll let them get away with monetising their titles because what parent or grandparent would ever want to take the food out of the mouths of their children and grandchildren. Not that it would be food in this case, it doesn’t really matter what it is, but I think he would prefer to be able to sleep at night despite the gruesome twosomes provocations.

Different families - and different cultures - have different greeting traditions.

Hasn't Charles rubbed noses with people he's met on overseas tours? Because that's their traditional greeting, and he respects their culture.

It's just PR messaging, that's all. The reality of the situation, as far as I can glean, is that Harry's never really been able to accept he can't be 'half in half out' and his various legal battles and peevish interviews are all based around his desire to have some continued perks of Royalty - money mainly.

Someone in my professional circle who has better knowledge of the situation than I do told me that Harry actually ended up doing the security battle sort of by accident - what he really wanted was continued revenues from the Crown to support his lifestyle, and the security battle lawsuit was sort of a minor sideshow to that. But, due to a combination of Royal intransigence about the money issue, and doubtless lots of encouragement from Schillings, the security thing ended up being the main show even though he (Harry) clearly isn't as exercised about it as he is about other money-related interviews (what was he most vocal in complaining about with Oprah? Security? Nah. Racism? Nope. It was money, moolah, the filthy lucre. That's what really bothers him.)

Problem is, it's not great PR to stand up and say "Well I'm an under-educated, under-employed bum and so by the sheer accident of my bloodline I demand that Pa and the much put-upon British taxpayer fund me to piss about and get stoned in Cali."

That wouldn't play well with his core fans, who these days are made up mostly of liberal Progressives who think the RF are evil colonialists and the UK Tabs staffed by jolly nasty oiks. The whole George/Dragon/Evil media thing plays much better with this audience, now that their all-time faves Hacked Off have gone quiet.

(A nastier, more morally bankrupt pair of individuals than Hugh Grant and Tom Watson it would be hard to think of, but that's another set of anecdotes for another time.)

@Serenster im thankful my for you page on Twitter hasn't took me there. That is horrific

We really need the laughing emoji back 😂😂

I was thinking they can have a new slant on a cheese and wine party and invite their neighbours to an evening of Wine and Whine.

I think William is more likely to do something drastic. The King has cancer and clearly loves his son whereas William is finished with him .
And before the what about Andrew starts - yes he should also have his Dukedom removed.

True, @GiveMeSpanakopita . He has no morals where any of this is concerned, though. I like your 3rd paragraph in particular - that rings true!
I have colleagues who support him because they're anti Royal and anti colonial, however, they found it hard to defend Harry behaving in such an ultra royal manner.

There will be a royal reference for sure. @Quirkswork has set the bar high with 'Royal Sussex Rose' . The other possibility that comes to mind is using Lili's name in it - they can say that Archie got Archewell and so they're honouring their daughter (a California girl?) now, whereas it actually allows them to effectively reference the late Queen in their merch. 😠

Wine does actually make more sense for them though as Meghan has a genuine history of blogging about it with the Tig. It seems more likely to make profit as well compared to pancake mixes and the like. To the point where I now can't understand why it wasn't chosen before - unless they were told it would take years to get a vineyard / crop going, so they decided to take a quicker route instead..

"Just on this point, I notice on X today that Meghan’s supporter’s are back posting pornographic photoshopped images of Kate. Back from the days when she was William’s girlfriend and appallingly harrassed by the press. They upskirted her constantly (this is thankfully a criminal act these days, but back then, Kate was “fair game”…). Anyway, the supporters have taken one of these frankly completely unacceptable upskirted photos of Kate - as if that wasn’t bad enough - and photoshopped out her underwear.

All the while telling us that no-one has ever been treated as badly by the Press or haters as Meghan was, of course."

When the Sussex PR push hasn't been as positive and successful as they had hoped this always happens. Meghan still hasn't cracked 4M followers on IG so it's not been successful, she's gotten plenty of press, but it's not translated into brand success.

The shipping costs of wine will be considerable, won't they, compared to pancake mix and flower sprinkles. Though if they put it in the Netflix stores, so people can pick it off the shelf, it might do well.

Yes. All members of the Royal Family have participated in the hongi when visiting New Zealand.

(amusingly on Meghan’s recent pinboard for her wedding anniversary was a photoshopped picture composed of two images of both her and Harry greeting a Maori elder with a hongi when in New Zealand - but the image of Meghan had been cut out from her photo and flipped, then stitched together with Harry’s, so it became a “cute” manufactured photo of the couple nose to nose. The Maori elder they were greeting was consigned to the editing room floor….says a lot a about their priorities!)

www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20191122127959/royal-hongi-kate-middleton-meghan-markle-princess-diana-maori-nose-greetings/