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How can Harry be so deluded?

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HiRen · 04/06/2025 17:38

The paranoia deepens

I don't really know what to conclude from this other than that Harry must feel the victim of a deep state conspiracy. Being a spoilt brat, and not understanding that he's there to serve his country rather than the country being there to serve him, can't help. Even if he did fear strategic delays, why would he jump to the conclusion that specific individuals have it in for him, rather than that there's a bigger picture to consider?

I just can't fathom the depths of misery and confusion he must experience on a daily basis. He must think his whole life was a lie until he met Meghan. I really do think things with Harry are much worse than they seem. Which puts an entirely different, and much darker, gloss on all of Meghan's utterings of her era of joy.

I honestly wouldn't want to be in their orbit. And I wonder whether those who remain in their orbit are desperate, whether as friends or employees. They're too much.

Harry and Meghan explored changing surname to Spencer amid children’s passport delays

Exclusive: source says couple feared unexplained wait was due to king’s opposition to their children bearing HRH title

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/04/harry-and-meghan-explored-changing-surname-to-spencer-amid-childrens-passport-delays

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LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 07/06/2025 07:33

NewAgeNewMe · 07/06/2025 07:15

Well, well, well…
there will no doubt be photo soon introducing Princess Lilibet Diana to the world.

excellent post @Serenster at 22.29 yesterday.

They are keeping the kids faces until just the right time (I.e. when something big is happening with Kate) and will monetise them obviously so a magazine shoot is probably likely.

It really is a bit mad how they consider themselves so at risk in this country, where they are members of the Royal family, they can live on protected estates, have the Met protection they so desperately want and you can’t buy guns at the supermarket.

They say it’s the racist element though I suppose and obviously the USA has never had a racially motivated murder ever, they also love Royals and aren’t into democracy at all so yeah it’s obviously a very safe place, especially the schools……..

isitspringyet · 07/06/2025 07:34

I thought the same thing a nice little recreation of his mum!

GiveMeSpanakopita · 07/06/2025 07:36

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/06/2025 18:36

You don't need a PR profesh to analyse them at this point. Anyone with eyes can see that it's all becoming a bit of a mess

Probably one of your best understatements, @GiveMeSpanakopita

... and it's good to see you back Smile

It's nice to be back, after four days advising a client in beautiful Poland (what I notice increasingly about developing capitalist economies in Eastern Europe is the sense of optimism, energy and joy people seem to have about the bright future of their country - contrasts a lot with people I work with in Germany and UK - but that's another view for other threads).

If we were to do a deeper analysis of the baby bump video, I suppose we could consider what the PR objective was in releasing this particular video, at this particular point in time. My approach to this business is that you should always have a strategic objective behind any particular piece of PR - you need to know exactly what audience you're trying to speak to, and what exactly you're seeking to achieve in terms of your longer term career objectives. Without that strategy underpinning everything, it's all just chaotic and useless. I'm going to be generous and assume that Meghan's PR advisers also follow this protocol - it's fairly well established thinking in the comms world, and Sunshine Sachs and Jason Knauf certainly work to this framework.

So what might have been the objective here? We know that Meghan has a habit of 'clapping back' at online critics - for example, her video with Gwyneth Paltrow was clearly designed to clap back at online rumours that Gwyneth disliked her.

In the case of the baby bump video, I don't think it's unreasonable to theorise that Meghan's decision to release it, now, is a clap back to the long-standing conspiracy theory that she had her children by surrogate, rumours which have gained new currency and energy in the past few weeks.

However, as anyone who's been pregnant or seen a pregnant woman will be aware, the twerking video does NOT scotch the surrogate conspiracy theory - in fact it rather adds fuel to that fire, for reasons which are obvious to any person who has eyes. Meghan is not a stupid woman, and she will of course know this.

So I think we have here: a clapback against a certain rumour using a video that is designed to pour more fuel on the fire of the rumours. In other words, Meghan is trolling her critics.

There are a number of influencers whose fame is based on little more than their ability to irritate people online. It's known as 'hate watching' and is a phenomenon specific to the social media age. The influencer and their audience is locked in a toxic dyad of contempt and deliberate aggravation.

It's definitely a way to stay famous. But it quickly becomes a tawdry sort of fame. It certainly does not provide the basis for good quality corporate sponsorships, humanitarian gravitas, or big mainstream media opportunities. Meghan will know this.

So in conclusion I think this video suggests to us that Meghan has given up on the idea of mainstream 'respectable' fame and humanitarian gravitas, and is instead acknowledging and accepting that her main form of fame now will come from winding up 'the haters'.

Where this leaves the joint Sussex brand, or their opportunities to make meaningful money, I don't know. But, given that this type of influencing rarely offers decent financial opportunities, I'd say it's not looking good.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 07/06/2025 07:44

Apols for adding to already long post - I feel I should clarify that I don't have any views either way on the surrogate/non-surrogate online rumours. I can understand why some ardent monarchists and feminists might get exercised about it (for diametrically opposed reasons) - I don't care, personally. I'm Switzerland. Neutral.

What I am very interested in is Meghan's objectives behind choosing to respond to those rumours with a video that she will have known will cause those rumours to reach fever pitch. Who's she trying to send a message to? The 'haters'? The RF? The UK tabloids? Her committed body of supporters? Harry?

That's really the most intriguing thing about this whole episode, to me.

IsoldeWagner · 07/06/2025 07:44

Thanks, @GiveMeSpanakopita , that's very interesting. I was also thinking it's because she's running out of ideas. The trad wife programmes will have limited success, and what can Harry do?
They just need to keep the headlines going with whatever material they have. Currently it's Lilibet's birthday trip to Disneyland. I'm also wondering why they are beginning to promote their daughter in this way, rather than the son.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 07/06/2025 07:53

IsoldeWagner · 07/06/2025 07:44

Thanks, @GiveMeSpanakopita , that's very interesting. I was also thinking it's because she's running out of ideas. The trad wife programmes will have limited success, and what can Harry do?
They just need to keep the headlines going with whatever material they have. Currently it's Lilibet's birthday trip to Disneyland. I'm also wondering why they are beginning to promote their daughter in this way, rather than the son.

Currently it's Lilibet's birthday trip to Disneyland. I'm also wondering why they are beginning to promote their daughter in this way, rather than the son.

I assume it's just Meghan trying to follow the Beyonce/Blue Ivy playbook. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it ends in horror and tragedy (Whitney/Bobbi Kristina).

StrawberryWasp · 07/06/2025 07:57

M said something odd in an interview recently about how she's going to teach Lili to be a strong women who can achieve anything and teach Archie how to support women.
I commented that it sounded like Lili was going to fulfill this narrative arc she has planned and Archie was just a sideshow to that.

Now all this focus on Lilis birthday.

There is something odd about all this. I feel Lili is going to be set up to perform a certain role for her parents as the golden girl.

StrawberryWasp · 07/06/2025 08:01

I think the twerking and Disney videos are a realisation that posed photos with baskets of roses were never going to get engagement. They were boring. And unsustainable.
Her followers have at last gone up in recent days. She's realised she's got to sell her life and give us something of interest to keep us watching.

Which works, but as Spanokoptika says: to what end?

IsoldeWagner · 07/06/2025 08:02

StrawberryWasp · 07/06/2025 07:57

M said something odd in an interview recently about how she's going to teach Lili to be a strong women who can achieve anything and teach Archie how to support women.
I commented that it sounded like Lili was going to fulfill this narrative arc she has planned and Archie was just a sideshow to that.

Now all this focus on Lilis birthday.

There is something odd about all this. I feel Lili is going to be set up to perform a certain role for her parents as the golden girl.

Also, as someone said on another thread - they have called that child Princess Lilibet Diana for a reason....

IsoldeWagner · 07/06/2025 08:04

StrawberryWasp · 07/06/2025 08:01

I think the twerking and Disney videos are a realisation that posed photos with baskets of roses were never going to get engagement. They were boring. And unsustainable.
Her followers have at last gone up in recent days. She's realised she's got to sell her life and give us something of interest to keep us watching.

Which works, but as Spanokoptika says: to what end?

Yes, that's all they have to sell. Gossip about the royals isn't really a long term project, and neither of them have any notable talents. It's going to have to be At Home With The Meghans.

User14March · 07/06/2025 08:06

IsoldeWagner · 07/06/2025 08:04

Yes, that's all they have to sell. Gossip about the royals isn't really a long term project, and neither of them have any notable talents. It's going to have to be At Home With The Meghans.

I think that’s where they’re headed.

NewAgeNewMe · 07/06/2025 08:06

There are both a pair of numpties. They had everything at their feet and threw it all away for a strop and because they weren’t top dogs in an organisation.

HM was effectively CEO, with PoW as vice president. I wonder if it had been explained to them in those terms if they’d have understood it. But then again maybe not.

Serenster · 07/06/2025 08:08

I agree - Meghan and er team will have seen the 30m+ views of her hospital video, rightfully, as a huge success. And the bump in her followers. Whether that level of engagement will continue for pictures of flowers and vegetables is less certain…

IsoldeWagner · 07/06/2025 08:11

I think they both believed that they had status and popularity because of just being themselves, when in fact it was because they were royal.
Just being themselves hasn't coined it in.

Vespanest · 07/06/2025 08:16

To add some more fuel to this is all a promotion spin to promote Lilibet venture into commercial revenue this will also include the HRH. The sources of the passport, the reminder of their HRH, their need to have it included on their passports. Children's fashion is so much easier for Meghan. Even though this is all conjecture what can't be denied is the effort for Lilibet compared to Archie to publicly celebrate their birthdays is huge.

AtIusvue · 07/06/2025 08:18

StrawberryWasp · 07/06/2025 08:01

I think the twerking and Disney videos are a realisation that posed photos with baskets of roses were never going to get engagement. They were boring. And unsustainable.
Her followers have at last gone up in recent days. She's realised she's got to sell her life and give us something of interest to keep us watching.

Which works, but as Spanokoptika says: to what end?

This.

The numbers speak for themselves, the twerking video gave her by far her most likes and the Disney stuff has numbers surpassing her usual , in only a few hours.

She can’t continue over the next 2/3 years to put out pics with the faces covered. Within the year, those kids faces will be seen. Maybe the Xmas card or something formal like that….something around the time she’s launching something because the numbers will be huge for the reveal.

Shes literally selling her kids childhood memories for likes. However bad that makes her- Harry is worse for letting her do it.

Also this new California law about kids on SM and money due to them- will now apply to Megs account seen as she posts the kids so much.

Harry has exposed his kids, in a way the the Wales kids have never been and for as much as he claims he had a terrible childhood, his private life was protected. It wasn’t exposed like his kids lives are. He’s a shit dad.

CrewOfTheRevenge · 07/06/2025 08:20

Was Disney closed just for them, If not surely someone would have taken pictures of
those children.

IsoldeWagner · 07/06/2025 08:21

CrewOfTheRevenge · 07/06/2025 08:20

Was Disney closed just for them, If not surely someone would have taken pictures of
those children.

It looked like other people were on the rides.

AtIusvue · 07/06/2025 08:22

Yeh it’s very obvious Lili is the fav child. In People magazine and on her podcast she talks about having a business with Lili, how important it is raising a daughter etc.

From what I’ve seen and how he’s been described, I think Archie maybe quiet/sensitive boy. Lili has been described as a little adventurer, so maybe Meg think Lili is a mini me.

RandyRedHumpback · 07/06/2025 08:24

StrawberryWasp · 07/06/2025 07:57

M said something odd in an interview recently about how she's going to teach Lili to be a strong women who can achieve anything and teach Archie how to support women.
I commented that it sounded like Lili was going to fulfill this narrative arc she has planned and Archie was just a sideshow to that.

Now all this focus on Lilis birthday.

There is something odd about all this. I feel Lili is going to be set up to perform a certain role for her parents as the golden girl.

She literally is the golden girl. Or the golden goose. The strawberry blonde with the blue, blue. blue eyes of Diana, who will be merched to high heaven.

CurlewKate · 07/06/2025 08:25

Is that twerking?

CrewOfTheRevenge · 07/06/2025 08:30

If Lilli is the golden child, why isn’t Harry stepping in to make sure Archie isn’t The Spare?

ThePoshUns · 07/06/2025 08:35

CrewOfTheRevenge · 07/06/2025 08:20

Was Disney closed just for them, If not surely someone would have taken pictures of
those children.

There’s a celebrity blind suggesting MM asked to go when the park is closed but was refused.
who is taking the photos of them? Do they take a photographer everywhere?
i do think they are heading towards a reality/ at home with show. They have nothing else to offer.

IsoldeWagner · 07/06/2025 08:36

CrewOfTheRevenge · 07/06/2025 08:30

If Lilli is the golden child, why isn’t Harry stepping in to make sure Archie isn’t The Spare?

It's like history is repeating itself.

ThePoshUns · 07/06/2025 08:36

CrewOfTheRevenge · 07/06/2025 08:30

If Lilli is the golden child, why isn’t Harry stepping in to make sure Archie isn’t The Spare?

Because he’s thick as mince and does as he’s told.

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