How can Harry be so deluded?

[HiRen]

The paranoia deepens

I don't really know what to conclude from this other than that Harry must feel the victim of a deep state conspiracy. Being a spoilt brat, and not understanding that he's there to serve his country rather than the country being there to serve him, can't help. Even if he did fear strategic delays, why would he jump to the conclusion that specific individuals have it in for him, rather than that there's a bigger picture to consider?

I just can't fathom the depths of misery and confusion he must experience on a daily basis. He must think his whole life was a lie until he met Meghan. I really do think things with Harry are much worse than they seem. Which puts an entirely different, and much darker, gloss on all of Meghan's utterings of her era of joy.

I honestly wouldn't want to be in their orbit. And I wonder whether those who remain in their orbit are desperate, whether as friends or employees. They're too much.

Don’t worry- they’d be balanced out by all the people who would acclaim them
musical geniuses for playing grade 4 piece on the piano!🤣

Thanks @AskingQuestionsAllTheTime . I'd forgotten all this things he founded and how long he was actually around. He is an illustration of how little being anything other than a pretty ruthless and militarily inclined monarch meant then, though (and being lucky enough to have good advisers)

Oh apologies @Uricon2!! Got my Henry’s mixed up !!!
my only excuse is small phone screen and crap updated app text! 😳🤣🤣🤣

Don’t worry- they’d be balanced out by all the people who would acclaim them
musical geniuses for playing grade 4 piece on the piano!🤣

@CurlewKate genuine 😂in absence of the react one!

Diana’s oldest sister had herself dated Charles, and her other sister Jane got married just two months after her 20th birthday to a man 16 years older than her. He was already one of Queen Elizabeth’s private secretaries at the time. Diana was one of Jane’s bridesmaids, in fact. So meeting and marrying the older Charles was entirely within the family’s expectations…

(My own speculation, but given her older sister had dated Charles and Jane had married a senior courtier it’s quite possible Diana felt she had trumped both her sisters in her marriage!)

I'm thinking of asking MNHQ if we can have our laugh reaction back purely for use on the RF board. It will be my equivalent of a fight with RAVEC.

Sorry.

My circle intersects with Zara . I hear that she is always on time, listens to her briefing, fulfills it admirably, doesn’t push forward ( in fact, is conspicuously inconspicuous at prize giving) unassuming - and is generally good value for money.

of course it’s a good start if you are the Queen’s DGD, but you still have to make something of it to keep going by the time you are in your forties.

So many families, Royal or not, don’t pick up on the fact they have a child who needs help with their mental health. Not because they’re neglectful, but because they just don’t know what the signs are and how to recognise them.

I think she does believe that.

Henry VI was pretty hopeless from the start, being shy, religious and disinclined to bloodshed.

He was also incapacitated from time to time, with an illness which he may have inherited from his French grandfather. That left his wife Margaret of Anjou in charge and a general break down in law and order and led to calls for the very competent Richard, Duke of York, the nearest adult male heir, to come and take charge. The consequent enmity between Margaret and Richard was one of the factors that led to the outbreak of the Wars of the Roses.

I'd imagine the royal connection has made some difference to Zara's success

And then we have Harry and Meghan with an even bigger royal connection than Zara has and they’re still failures.

Can't imagine she'd have won sports personality otherwise, for example

She won it because the British public voted for her and considering the amount of republicans amongst the British public it’s even more impressive that she did win.

I expect we're all clear on how Sports Personality of the Year voting works, that Zara has achieved more than those two and who is where in the line of succession. Did you have any thoughts on the rest of the post?

David Linleys inlaid woodwork was truly beautiful. It was a ‘modern’ take on traditional, classical design, carried out to a high finish.

I would have loved some of the furniture, I could only afford a small box. Still an objet of joy.

It's interesting stuff, medieval royal history, especially of those who became absolute monarchs by reason of birth. The number of them who actually made a real success in their terms of their comprehension of it is amazing (thinking of some of the more snarly Edwards and Henrys) and some of the others had very good support ( eg John: William the Marshal)

H vi had severe mental health issues, including two periods of Catatonia. His maternal Grandfather was full on certifiable, he killed an attendent without provocation whilst out hunting, and retreated into a semi catatonic state in which he complained that he was ‘ made of glass’.

Luckily that line of the family does not contribute anything to the current RF, although their inbreeding wouldn’t be allowed in an animal stud.

Henry VI cetainly appears to have had what we would call MH issues

Did you have any thoughts on the rest of the post?

Yes. I did have some thoughts on the rest of the post but I didn’t want to be banned for saying it was shite and you were sounding desperate so I decided not to say anything until now, and only then because you specifically asked for my thoughts.

Speaking of shite, the idea that a small republican minority of a population would make it more impressive for a member of the royal family to win a glorified popularity contest is right up there.

Out of interest, do you understand that the post is actually broadly critical of the contention a pp advanced that Zara's greater success than many Olympic silver medallists is down to her royal connections, as opposed to other factors?

We are all born citizens, not subjects. The royal obsession serves no democratic purpose—it props up inherited power and distracts from real accountability.
Harry’s rejection of that system is framed as betrayal, but perhaps it’s clarity. When someone steps away from a gilded cage, we should ask why—not rush to defend the cage.

Harry hasn’t rejected anything.
If anything he wants more of the royal cake than the Institution would let him have.

You picked the wrong poster boy.

Sorry, but that's not entirely accurate. Quite a lot of us were born subjects, not citizens.

If you feel that eg Wilson, Heath, Blair, Cameron or Johnson was subject to any real accountability, I'd love to know why you think this and how it manifested itself – particularly Johnson...

Democracy gave us all of those. And indeed Trump. Putin, and I could make quite a long list of originally-elected dictators (but life is too short).

Harry rejecting the system would be fine if he had, but he hasn't: if he had he'd shut the fuck up about his rights as a royal. His betrayal is in the way he has treated his family with his lies, libels and litigations.

@Uricon2

William Marshall🥰😍! Nearly killed at the age of eight when next in line for being shot from a catapult by the wretched Stephen , but survived to be the peerless Knight.

When Henry II had died in Chinon after his final ill fated struggle with his son and the French , his servants pillaged the body and the wardrobe and ran off. The burghers of Chinon, who had very little time for anyone who waged war In their lands and interfered with the production of wine and food and the enjoyment thereof , refused to bury him without prior payment. But when William Marshall arrived, although he had nothing but his signet ring to offer, they agreed to a proper funeral procession on his surety. The Marshall ‘s word was worth more than a Kings household.

So Henry lies in Fontevraud, just down the causeway from Chinon.

They have long memories in Touraine.

There seems to be a concerted effort to diminish Zara's accomplishments writing off her Olympic record as "well she had access to horses"

Well then, what is H's excuse? He had access to the same horses. Where is his Olympic medal?

Queen Elizabeth and grandchildren horse riding

Step away from a gilded cage?

Not that he has stepped away. He’s hanging on to the gilded cage with all his might because he knows it’s where his best interests were served. That without the gilded cage he’s quite simply not able to successfully function in the real world financially.

Then there are all of the other reasons he won’t let go of those gilded bars.

Harry rejected the system so much he wanted 'half in, half out'. He rejected the system because he didn't have a big apartment in Kensington Palace like his brother and Nottingham Cottage and Frogmore Cottage weren't grand enough for him and the missus.