How can Harry be so deluded?

[HiRen]

The paranoia deepens

I don't really know what to conclude from this other than that Harry must feel the victim of a deep state conspiracy. Being a spoilt brat, and not understanding that he's there to serve his country rather than the country being there to serve him, can't help. Even if he did fear strategic delays, why would he jump to the conclusion that specific individuals have it in for him, rather than that there's a bigger picture to consider?

I just can't fathom the depths of misery and confusion he must experience on a daily basis. He must think his whole life was a lie until he met Meghan. I really do think things with Harry are much worse than they seem. Which puts an entirely different, and much darker, gloss on all of Meghan's utterings of her era of joy.

I honestly wouldn't want to be in their orbit. And I wonder whether those who remain in their orbit are desperate, whether as friends or employees. They're too much.

What has she achieved? Honestly? A part in a z list cable show no one had heard of before she met Harry? I don't really think that's much of an achievement.

Yes that's probably true.

Exactly! Whereas my point is that Zara Phillips has genuinely achieved in her own right, but is being knocked for it!
Extraordinary. Neither Harry nor Meghan have done anything anywhere near comparable.

I'd imagine the royal connection has made some difference to Zara's success. Can't imagine she'd have won sports personality otherwise, for example.

But actually, the appropriate comparison isn't with other Olympic silver medallists, because there are relevant factors other than that and her grandmother. It's with people who won Olympic silvers at home rather than in say Tokyo, so were the beneficiaries of much greater press attention and higher viewing figures. Whose spouse is equally successful in a more popular sport and part of a team who achieved something that can never be replicated (nobody else will ever be first). And who, let's be honest, are blonde. I don't think there's any point pretending that being unthreateningly attractive doesn't sometimes make a difference to how marketable an Olympic medallist is.

That's actually not a particularly big comparison group.

Life and experience would attest to that. Jessica Mulroney, etc.

Interesting question and I have no idea. I'm not sure the Spencers were actively plotting ala the families of some of Henry VIII's more unfortunate wives, but it would certainly been desirable from their POV. Frankly, everyone went collectively mad on the "fairytale romance" it was portrayed as, including I think Diana herself perhaps. It seems she had doubts before the wedding but it was brushed aside and they may have put it down to nerves.

I’m not criticising. I’m pointing out that Zara, while having significant personal achievements, is also monetising her royal connections. Because why wouldn’t you? Pretty sure she’d agree herself!

Status & position over good old common sense? Sarah had dated him & must have had an inkling or pang they’d be ultimately very unsuited? ‘Too late you’re on the tea towels now Duch’. Not ‘let’s call whole thing off/tomorrow’s chip paper’ she needed a sensible Mum but very easy to say…

Well, funnily enough, not everyone monetises their connections to royalty, just some who have turned it into a personal cottage industry because they have no other skills.

If you can prove that the name change process is underway in the "foreign country" then a UK passport can be issued in the "new" name as an exception - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/names-aligning-names-on-foreign-documents/names-aligning-names-on-foreign-documents-accessible#exceptions-legal.

You don’t even understand what ‘working in sponsorship’ means so I don’t think you are really someone who’s opinions or ‘facts’ are really valid on this tbh.

We had all better hope that nothing happens to William and his kids as we will be subjects of King Henry the ninth and Queen Meghan Spencer Sussex.

Did they know? Diana was only 19 and very innocent( mainly why she was suitable as a bride to the future king) and at that age surely thought she was going to have fairytale life as 19 year olds do.
Furthermore she came from a broken dysfunctional family and presumably thought she would get stability and security with Charles. It was extremely wrong of Charles, a man in his 30s), in love with another woman, to marry a naive teenager. He knew exactly what he was doing( he was being pressured to marry and produce an heir) but I don't believe Diana understood the nature of the relationship she was entering with him at all.

Well, Zara does! Presumably so do the York “girls”.
Sarah Fergusson did(does?). Any royal that does any work outside the family firm can hardly avoid it. Which I imagine would be very shit if you had something you really wanted to do. You could never know if people genuinely liked your art or music or writing or whatever. Like the afore mentioned David Linley.

How come you're leaving the Sussexes out of your list? That's been their source of income and their way of life. Either milking connections or trashing the RF. Not very pleasant way of life is it?
The York family are good friends with the Sussexes. They seem like natural company for one another. Very similar.

I don't think even if they had doubts, thwarting an in love teenager and a country caught up in a fairytale (a very brittle one as it turned out) would have been possible. Diana was getting so much hassle from the Press things were rushed on towards marriage and maybe if it had been taken more slowly with less publicity it would have fizzled out.

Me too.

I don't think people paid David Linley prices because he was a fairly minor Royal. Similarly, Anne and Zara didn't get medals through deference to their status.

A reasonable point though because I'm pretty sure the RF could produce a Beethoven or Picasso equivalent and there would still be snark about their talent.

A member of the RF could find a cure for Alzheimer's and sort out world peace on a long-term basis and people would still snipe at him or her for daring to have been born into, well, the wrong family. (And then on top of that he or she would have to cope with the envy and hatred of the Sussexes, and also their accusations of racism.)

Like any of us choose our parents.

It must have been much easier to be Royal in the medieval period when the only real desirable qualification for the "top job" was "being good at fighting".😂 The obvious exceptions to this rule (I give you Henry VI) didn't last long.

Of course they didn’t get their medals because of being royal. But Zara gets some of her sponsorships because she is. It’s just the way life is. And actually, people do pay premium prices for things because of the person who made it. I know people who pay ridiculous sums for pretty average prices of digital art because they are made by the actor who played Starsky!

He was in his youth @Uricon2, he was apparently very fit , tall , athletic and handsome!
sadly he fell from his horse and injured himself ( I forget the particulars) , this apparently led to a complete change or personality and weight gain.

Agree. Sarah her sister was about 26 though & comparatively worldly. She was sensible enough to marry a steady gentleman farmer type.

Henry VI was king from 1422 to 1461, and finished his minority and got rid of his regents in 1437; twenty-four years of actual reigning (and thirty-nine years including childhood) is not that paltry an innings. (And he made a short come-back in 1470 for a year or so, too, thanks to Warwick the Kingmaker.) Even if he did lead to the Wars of the Roses by failing to have Edward IV assassinated in a timely manner, he also founded Eton, All Souls, Oxford, and King's, Cambridge, so not all bad.

Think that might be Henry VIII! He was apparently more reasonable before the jousting accident and certainly described as fit, tall, etc.

Henry VI was pretty hopeless from the start, being shy, religious and disinclined to bloodshed. This probably made him a pleasant person but a lousy Plantagenet monarch. I feel he was one of the casualties of absolute rule, which he was entirely unfitted for.