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The royal family

How can Harry be so deluded?

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HiRen · 04/06/2025 17:38

The paranoia deepens

I don't really know what to conclude from this other than that Harry must feel the victim of a deep state conspiracy. Being a spoilt brat, and not understanding that he's there to serve his country rather than the country being there to serve him, can't help. Even if he did fear strategic delays, why would he jump to the conclusion that specific individuals have it in for him, rather than that there's a bigger picture to consider?

I just can't fathom the depths of misery and confusion he must experience on a daily basis. He must think his whole life was a lie until he met Meghan. I really do think things with Harry are much worse than they seem. Which puts an entirely different, and much darker, gloss on all of Meghan's utterings of her era of joy.

I honestly wouldn't want to be in their orbit. And I wonder whether those who remain in their orbit are desperate, whether as friends or employees. They're too much.

Harry and Meghan explored changing surname to Spencer amid children’s passport delays

Exclusive: source says couple feared unexplained wait was due to king’s opposition to their children bearing HRH title

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/04/harry-and-meghan-explored-changing-surname-to-spencer-amid-childrens-passport-delays

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MaturingCheeseball · 05/06/2025 15:04

@Seeingadistance - ooh yes, given half a chance Harry would be re-enacting Kind Hearts and Coronets.

My2cents1975 · 05/06/2025 15:17

I have always said, H and reality are parallel lines that simply do not meet.

Endgame was indeed the endgame for H&M. There is no coming back from the accusations H&M leveled at KC3 and Catherine via their proxy Scobie. It is over.

There is no path to A&L being working royals. They are on the Hollywood track but face vicious competition from other nepo-babies. And their parents are burning their bridges in Hollywood with failed project after failed project.

The Spotify CEO labeled H&M "f*ing grifters" which played a part in Amazon declining to pick up the pair. The new flopcast at the new studio has not helped.

Finally, Ted Sandoros, who could have been an invaluable ally, has to explain to shareholders why H&M are making losses for Netflix every quarter. Eventually, Ted will be forced to choose between being fired or dumping loss makers like H&M.

Tripthelightfantastical · 05/06/2025 15:29

Who was filming the scene in the labour ward I wonder?

HonoriaBulstrode · 05/06/2025 15:43

Who was filming the scene in the labour ward I wonder?

I wondered that, but having watched some of it, I think it was a phone or camera propped up on a shelf. It doesn't seem to move or shake as it would if someone was holding it.

Buxusmortus · 05/06/2025 15:49

User14March · 05/06/2025 11:36

She’s also very amusing she’s widely liked, even by the press. In fact she’s so decent it makes me doubt some of Diana’s narratives about her, although I have always been deeply sympathetic re: Diana.

Of course the woman is going to be nice to everyone in public, she finally got what she wanted. No doubt part of Charles' PR machine's massive efforts to rehabilitate her with the public and press were that she should always behave in a decent, uncontroversial and pleasant way in public.

Screwing Diana's husband isn't the behaviour of a decent person and I can totally believe that she behaved and spoke towards Diana( a much younger, beautiful, charismatic and incredibly popular woman married to the man she wanted) in the way that Diana described.

RandyRedHumpback · 05/06/2025 15:54

HonoriaBulstrode · 05/06/2025 14:23

How do you know that he didn’t have therapy?

We shouldn't know. It is his private information and no-one else's business.

I am pretty sure he said in an interview on Briony Gordon's podcast that he was offered therapy after his mother died, but refused it. He kept telling everyone he was alright. Years later, it was William who noticed he was struggling (post Afghanistan) and persuaded him to get some, and out of that (and Catherine's brother's struggles), Heads Together was created.

Charles was into all sorts of new age, therapy stuff, I believe. So I doubt very much he would have denied therapy to his son had he showed a willingness to have it.

RandyRedHumpback · 05/06/2025 15:59

In the podcast, Prince Harry said he had tried to cope with the tragedy by not talking about it.
“My way of dealing with it was sticking my head in the sand, refusing to ever think about my mum, because why would that help?” he said. He recalled thinking: “ ‘It’s only going to make you sad; it’s not going to bring her back.’ So from an emotional side, I was like, ‘Right, don’t ever let your emotions be part of anything.’ ”

.......

Asked about counseling, he said he had received it “more than a couple of times, but it’s great.”
He credited his brother with telling him: “‘Look, you really need to deal with this. It is not normal to think that nothing has affected you.’”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/world/europe/uk-prince-harry-death-princess-diana.html

wordler · 05/06/2025 16:02

William has talked about how becoming a father brought up a lot of memories and feelings, and also working the serious trauma cases with the air ambulance - seeing accident traumas particularly those involving young children cracked something open in him that he hadn’t felt before and that’s when he started to get serious about dealing with his own mental health.

I think that’s when he and Kate and Harry started to seriously champion mental health charities and possibly also when he urged Harry to get some help too.

So it seems as though whatever help they were offered as children had left a lot unresolved for both of them.

William was lucky enough to realize he needed help and had the stability of his own family at that time.

User14March · 05/06/2025 16:11

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/06/2025 13:57

Considering all the other things Charles is exempt from I rather doubt that would have worried him, Weepixie, and after all who would ever have known now his communications are sealed?

Not sure why H&M wanting to earn their own money is such a problem

In theory it probably shouldn't be, @Spectre8, though apart from the hideous Andrew it's generally only the non-working RF members who expect to do it

However Harry's lack of judgement wouldn't have been any news to the palace, and I do just wonder if they saw how he'd want to earn his own money coming - especially once paired with a wife who naturally had no idea how the whole thing works

Why didn’t an intelligent, mature woman like M make it her business to study as carefully as poss re: taking on biggest role of life for life? I’d be cross questioning everyone & reading up. Not relying on H.

Mylovelygreendress · 05/06/2025 16:12

@Buxusmortus

“Screwing Diana's husband isn't the behaviour of a decent person and I can totally believe that she behaved and spoke towards Diana( a much younger, beautiful, charismatic and incredibly popular woman married to the man she wanted) in the way that Diana described.”

Towards the end of her life Diana’s behaviour was being criticised. Screwing married men didn’t help. Ask Julia Carling or Oliver Hoare’s widow.

IcedPurple · 05/06/2025 16:15

User14March · 05/06/2025 16:11

Why didn’t an intelligent, mature woman like M make it her business to study as carefully as poss re: taking on biggest role of life for life? I’d be cross questioning everyone & reading up. Not relying on H.

The obvious answer is that she is neither mature nor intelligent.

Tripthelightfantastical · 05/06/2025 16:17

IcedPurple · 05/06/2025 16:15

The obvious answer is that she is neither mature nor intelligent.

Because this was her biggest role yet and she wanted it no matter what the cost. That’s why she didn’t want to listen to her British friends who urged her to think very carefully .

IcedPurple · 05/06/2025 16:18

Tripthelightfantastical · 05/06/2025 16:17

Because this was her biggest role yet and she wanted it no matter what the cost. That’s why she didn’t want to listen to her British friends who urged her to think very carefully .

I don't believe these 'British friends' exist.

User14March · 05/06/2025 16:19

Buxusmortus · 05/06/2025 15:49

Of course the woman is going to be nice to everyone in public, she finally got what she wanted. No doubt part of Charles' PR machine's massive efforts to rehabilitate her with the public and press were that she should always behave in a decent, uncontroversial and pleasant way in public.

Screwing Diana's husband isn't the behaviour of a decent person and I can totally believe that she behaved and spoke towards Diana( a much younger, beautiful, charismatic and incredibly popular woman married to the man she wanted) in the way that Diana described.

I’ve always agreed with all that & if essentially a marriage of convenience to create heir & spare, Diana needed this spelling out very clearly.

PC says he only ‘saw’ & resumed relationship with C after D’s first affair effectively. It was obvious both deeply unsuited to each other from outset.

Tripthelightfantastical · 05/06/2025 16:19

IcedPurple · 05/06/2025 16:18

I don't believe these 'British friends' exist.

One of them went to Wimbledon with her one year.

IcedPurple · 05/06/2025 16:22

Tripthelightfantastical · 05/06/2025 16:19

One of them went to Wimbledon with her one year.

Who wouldn't accept a seat in the Wimbledon posh seats? It doesn't mean they were besties.

I don't think Meghan has any real friends. Just temporarily useful acquaintances.

User14March · 05/06/2025 16:23

Tripthelightfantastical · 05/06/2025 16:17

Because this was her biggest role yet and she wanted it no matter what the cost. That’s why she didn’t want to listen to her British friends who urged her to think very carefully .

So she let ego & thinking she was powerful & influential enough to be a future palace rainmaker get in the way? I don’t buy the ‘I had no idea of role’ story.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 05/06/2025 16:26

MrsLeonFarrell
For someone who struggles with trust he isn't very trustworthy himself.

Isn't it the other way round? I think that he's a classic case of expecting others to behave as you do yourself. He is untrustworthy, and it doesn't surprise me that he seems to expect everyone else to be the same.

IsoldeWagner · 05/06/2025 16:28

CurlewKate · 05/06/2025 12:06

I’m not digging at her. I’m just saying she is cashing in on her royal status. She would definitely not get that level of sponsorship if she wasn’t royal. Fair play to her-but people tend to suggest that she has a career outside her position.

You are digging at her. She's a very successful equestrian. That's on merit.

Uricon2 · 05/06/2025 16:30

I feel great sympathy for Diana because she was very, very young and I don't think at all approached it as an "arranged marriage" where parties straying would be quietly overlooked (and why should she have?) They weren't suited though and Charles was old enough to know it.

We don't know the ins and outs but Camilla did seem very set on Andrew P-B and I imagine may have thought Charles (who has Prince Hamlet traits) would never propose/she wouldn't be acceptable if he did.

Having said this, I don't think any of them are/were terrible human beings, far from perfect but not terrible. Many mistakes, much angst and pain and a tragedy on, C &C seem happy, as I'd hope Diana would have been had she lived.

IsoldeWagner · 05/06/2025 16:31

HonoriaBulstrode · 05/06/2025 12:06

What part of “people who win team Silver Olympic medals do not get sponsorships lucrative enough for them not to need to do any other work for the rest of their lives” is so difficult to understand?

You are not privy to her private financial affairs, so you have no idea whether she is reliant on her sponsorship deals or whether she has other sources of income. Since she doesn't receive public money, it's no-one else's business.

Exactly. We don't even pay for security for her, unlike the continuing saga with Harry, who wants limitless taxpayer funding, even though he doesn't live here.
But hey, knock the hard working woman rather than the lazy man. Always the way

User14March · 05/06/2025 16:34

Uricon2 · 05/06/2025 16:30

I feel great sympathy for Diana because she was very, very young and I don't think at all approached it as an "arranged marriage" where parties straying would be quietly overlooked (and why should she have?) They weren't suited though and Charles was old enough to know it.

We don't know the ins and outs but Camilla did seem very set on Andrew P-B and I imagine may have thought Charles (who has Prince Hamlet traits) would never propose/she wouldn't be acceptable if he did.

Having said this, I don't think any of them are/were terrible human beings, far from perfect but not terrible. Many mistakes, much angst and pain and a tragedy on, C &C seem happy, as I'd hope Diana would have been had she lived.

Very well said. I think the Spencers knew it was effectively an arranged marriage though, did Sarah & Jane?

IsoldeWagner · 05/06/2025 16:36

CurlewKate · 05/06/2025 12:21

I agree. But other posters are using her as an example of someone making her living outside the royal “fold”. I was just pointing out that she isn’t. No criticism of her. Just fact checking.

You're not "fact checking". You're criticising. She's not got some over hyped housewife show because of who she's married to, she's actually achieved significantly in her own right.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/06/2025 16:37

User14March · 05/06/2025 16:11

Why didn’t an intelligent, mature woman like M make it her business to study as carefully as poss re: taking on biggest role of life for life? I’d be cross questioning everyone & reading up. Not relying on H.

You may well ask, User14March; after all it would be the obvious thing for anyone with integrity to do, but perhaps only if they intended sticking with the role or even giving it a genuine go

Personally I've never believed she did, and that once the ring was in place it was always the intention to get back to the glitz of LA - and if that involved weaponising even the smallest glitch then so be it

Other opinions are of course available ...

jeffgoldblum · 05/06/2025 16:37

What has Zara got to do with Harry behaving entitled?

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