How can Harry be so deluded?

[HiRen]

The paranoia deepens

I don't really know what to conclude from this other than that Harry must feel the victim of a deep state conspiracy. Being a spoilt brat, and not understanding that he's there to serve his country rather than the country being there to serve him, can't help. Even if he did fear strategic delays, why would he jump to the conclusion that specific individuals have it in for him, rather than that there's a bigger picture to consider?

I just can't fathom the depths of misery and confusion he must experience on a daily basis. He must think his whole life was a lie until he met Meghan. I really do think things with Harry are much worse than they seem. Which puts an entirely different, and much darker, gloss on all of Meghan's utterings of her era of joy.

I honestly wouldn't want to be in their orbit. And I wonder whether those who remain in their orbit are desperate, whether as friends or employees. They're too much.

If you think Equestrian sports are “obscure and boring” (which presumably applies to all sports to someone who doesn’t follow it?) then how can you possibly have a view on whether Zara is a well-known and globally popular eventer? In the countries where eventing is big (the UK, the USA, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Italy etc), Zara is definitely well known.

In addition to her Olympic silver she has also finished second at Badminton and been an individual European and World Champion, plus been voted by the public to be BBC Sports Personality of the Year (beating out golfer Darren Clarke and gymnast Beth Tweddle).

He's got the long nose and close set eyes of daddy Chas plus the red hair of uncle Chas.

What does he envisage happening? Archie and Lily arriving at Buckingham Palace in 12-14 years' time, demanding access and to be given royal duties in a country they know nothing about (and of which at least one is not a citizen) and this being granted to them?

In fairness, they're both UK citizens. Harry is a British citizen born in the UK and so he transmits his British citizenship to any children wherever they're born. BC transmits one generation abroad, so it's Lili whose kids might not be British. They can't have renounced it either, as you have to be an adult.

But otherwise I agree, I don't think it's likely they'd relocate to the UK from the US as adults and start being working royals, especially if they're further down the line of succession by then. It doesn't seem practical or realistic.

Didn't someone mention some weeks ago that he's out of time to do this now?

I'm no lawyer, but believe it's been said that if it's to be done at all it has to be within a certain timeframe - though doubtless Harry would view this as unfairness too

Charles might not have been told about the passport application, the Palace definitely would have been

Wouldn’t that have been a breach of data protection?

Well it depends what was said, by whom, and under what protocol. Presumably there are exceptions to do with national security for instance.

There's an exemption to GDPR if required to safeguard national security yeah.

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/exemptions/national-security-and-defence-exemption-a-guide/

Couldn't tell you how it works in practice though!

That wouldn’t apply to Harry’s application though. I can’t see any reason for Charles to know that wouldn’t constitute some sort of data breach. Harry’s passport application for his children is nothing to do with his father. The passport office doesn’t inform your parents when you as a grown adult apply for a passport for your children. Why would it do so in Harry’s case? His claim is nonsensical

I was just about to say that Zara’s brother makes his living as a woodworker-but I must have made that up. He has had some proper jobs- but also does sponsorships-which MUST be about royalty because he hasn’t done anything else….

David Linley, Margaret's son had a high end furniture business, still going but not now owned by him I don't think.

She is entitled to a British passport as the daughter of a British citizen. As I am. But, and here is the but, her children will have to be born in the UK for THEM to have British passports, if born in U.S. no British passport. My daughter was born in Spain so just has a Spanish passport.

Yes, British citizenship transmits automatically from a parent to a child born in the UK, and for one generation abroad.

Harry isn't actually being given any special treatment there, it's exactly the same as it would be for Joe Bloggs from Scunthorpe who had a kid in the USA and was either married to the mother or listed as father on the birth certificate. Though whether Joe's DC would be given a British passport even after a 6 month delay without having to provide proof of name change is another point entirely!

What sponsorships does he have? Or are you referring to the fact that he has worked in sponsorship for a bank.

Considering all the other things Charles is exempt from I rather doubt that would have worried him, Weepixie, and after all who would ever have known now his communications are sealed?

Not sure why H&M wanting to earn their own money is such a problem

In theory it probably shouldn't be, @Spectre8, though apart from the hideous Andrew it's generally only the non-working RF members who expect to do it

However Harry's lack of judgement wouldn't have been any news to the palace, and I do just wonder if they saw how he'd want to earn his own money coming - especially once paired with a wife who naturally had no idea how the whole thing works

Yeah, you're not wrong there at all.

Well, I think his mental health was severely neglected, as a minor he should have had therapy. That is neglect. I don´t think the Royal family have ever been very hot on mental health, with the results we have seen right through the generations.

How do you know that he didn’t have therapy?

We don't know he wasn't offered help. William certainly encouraged him to have therapy later on.

It is also important to remember that mental health understanding and support has come on in leaps and bounds since 1997. I know because I didn't get support in that era either, it simply wasn't as talked about or as widely available as it is today. I don't believe that being born in an era before a medical issue was well understood is neglect.

Does this not apply to his brother as well, though? Was he not neglected according to your idea? I’m not sure therapy would have been seen as necessary at the time when Diana died. Things are different nearly 30 years later. I don’t think the RF were treating him any differently to how anyone else would have been treated, rightly or wrongly

x post Mrs LF

How do you know that he didn’t have therapy?

We shouldn't know. It is his private information and no-one else's business.

His brother has admitted that he hasn´t really got over that day he was told his mother had died and it is a weight he carries. My brother went to therapy when my dad died in 1990 in Spain when he was 13, same age as Harry, for 2 years. And we are nobody and it was 35 years ago, as my mum could see all was not well. But then, she was an engaged mother and did not neglect my brother´s mental health. So dónt give me that bllcks that all was different 30 years ago. And the Royal family had access to whatever they needed without having to get off the sofa.

Well your mum was very astute, but I’m pretty sure therapy for bereaved children was not the norm at that time, unfortunately. I don’t think him not having therapy could be classed as “neglect”, unless you think the vast majority of mothers in that situation at that time were neglectful?

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Do we know if Harry filled out all the paperwork properly? 😁

Besides, they probably viewed it as non-rush since he keeps announcing on the media that he can't take the kids to the UK for their safety.

In terms of family fall-outs, the Royal family do have a long history there. If this had been a few centuries ago, Harry would have attempted to raise an army against his brother and fight it out on a battle field, or lock his children in a tower never to be seen again. However, in this present century Harry can only sling mud on TV, social and mainstream media, books and interviews, backed up by an on-line battalion of bots and numpties. And all the while the RF give a splendid example of ignoring a tantrum.

@Katiesaidthat - years ago a relative of mine was a news journalist. She said that the gossip was that one of the young princes was having therapy for unknown issues.This was BEFORE Diana died. The assumption was that it was William because I think he’d had a bang on the head, but with hindsight it must have been Harry.