How can Harry be so deluded?

[HiRen]

The paranoia deepens

I don't really know what to conclude from this other than that Harry must feel the victim of a deep state conspiracy. Being a spoilt brat, and not understanding that he's there to serve his country rather than the country being there to serve him, can't help. Even if he did fear strategic delays, why would he jump to the conclusion that specific individuals have it in for him, rather than that there's a bigger picture to consider?

I just can't fathom the depths of misery and confusion he must experience on a daily basis. He must think his whole life was a lie until he met Meghan. I really do think things with Harry are much worse than they seem. Which puts an entirely different, and much darker, gloss on all of Meghan's utterings of her era of joy.

I honestly wouldn't want to be in their orbit. And I wonder whether those who remain in their orbit are desperate, whether as friends or employees. They're too much.

Charles might not have been told about the passport application, the Palace definitely would have been. It’s inconceivable that the PO would just issue a passport pertaining to a member of the monarch’s immediate family without any contact with BP. Once again, Harry is getting a bespoke service which he considers inferior.

If he wants to be treated like every other citizen he needs to renounce all the perks of being a member of the RF. As it is, he considers himself a VVIP and so he shouldn’t be surprised that his application got special attention.

ETA I’m aware the application is about the children, but related to him. Also for clarity

Zara Tindall is an Olympian, Mike Tindall is a rugby international - they both established careers outwith any RF connections - they have legitimate income streams from those.

The Yorks are money grubbing I completely agree - such a shame the Sussexes are now on a par with them.

And Meghan tried to get another TV show - but was rejected from Made in Chelsea, Real Housewives and some food show. I'm sure she probably would have gotten something eventually.

Charles seems like a prize shit, as does Camilla, IMO.

In what way? Both of them are fulfilling their public roles admirably, imo.

How was Harry severely neglected?

That is a serious allegation and requires evidence.

It’s would have, not would of.

I wouldn’t normally comment but that’s three times in one post.

Charles seems like a prize shit, as does Camilla, IMO.

I have met Camilla several times through a charity. I was largely indifferent to her, having grown up not really knowing about the circumstances with Diana etc, a lot of people at the charity liked her and every time we have met I have too. She is interesting to talk to and takes a genuine interest in the people who work with, and the work of the charity. She is very no-nonsense, relaxed with people and, for all her status, genuine warmth with no airs and graces.
We have had politicians and celebs visit and they have acted like prize shits, “Do you know who I am” types. Camilla, never.

All members of the rf live off being royal in some form, as I said before the Yorks, the Tindalls. Do you thinknthwy would of got their jobs or things they do without being royal of course not. So why is it a problem for you if H&M do what the others do.

Once again, the Yorks and the Tindalls do not undertake public engagements where they are representing the sovereign. Their patronages are their own, not gifted to them by the sovereign. They do not hold honorary military roles or wear military uniform. They do not receive public money.

H&M wanted to continue to do all the above (but not the boring parts) and also take on commercial roles in which they would have made public and media appearances using their titles for personal gain.

Pretty sure it’s not being an Olympian that gets Zara Tindall her sponsorship deals! 🤣

Even a small time Olympian gets sponsorship deals though. Of course she's mainly cashing in on the royal name but at least she's done something worthwhile (even if her Olympic prowess was due to the privilege of all that wealth and training).

Although Meghan is pretty much a one hit wonder (I know older Brits may not have heard of Suits but was a pretty huge thing internationally when I was a teen), and clearly is a crazy narcissist, at least she has that to coast off partially, even without their contrived attempts to use the royal name.

Not sure what Harry has done with his life really. There was the army thing but that was a bit of a flop right? He seems to believe he has not achieved anything with his life BECAUSE he is royal but really, it's probably the opposite.

I feel like with his impulsive, impressionable temperament and self-victimising tendencies, his so-called army career would've gone way worse – perhaps even disgracefully – without all the strings being pulled constantly for him. Speaking as someone from a country with compulsory military service, and who's seen how countless different personalities (amongst my friends and family) have coped or not coped in the military. It's a place where you HAVE to listen to absolute authority and self regulate your emotions... Something he cannot do.

The difference with the sussexes is that no one is going to pay a salary to people whose intent is to be a bigger better version of them. It's the hierarchy that they seem to detest and love when it suits them. I have not been impressed with how royals have previously used the status for wealth but it has usually been motivated by personal greed and not in a bid to overshadow the monarch and the heirs whilst wanting to being financially covered by the same people and receiving the same treatment. It was never going to work. Harry would be offended to be compared to Zara and Mike, he's the spare don't you know.

Whether it is or isn’t (and why wouldn’t it be? Do other Olympians not also have similar deals?) is irrelevant because she does not have, nor indeed has she ever had, a Royal title, does not receive public money or royal security.

Harry wanted the privileges that his cousins have in not being working royals while, crucially, keeping all of the perks of being a working royal and (most importantly to him I am sure) to be treated the exact same as his brother at all times despite one being the direct heir to the throne and the other being fifth in line to the throne. For context Princess Beatrice was born as fifth in line to the throne and Zara was born sixth in line - that is how relevant Harry is right now.

Other Olympians have sponsorship deals . Andy Murray ? Chris Hoy ?

Given her brother has had one deal with Hello for his wedding photos and one promotion for a Chinese milk manufacturer, yes, I think it is the fact that Zara is an Olympian that actually gets her longstanding sponsorship deals with well known institutions.

You're not actually comparing these GOATs to her level of achievement are you?! She's mostly only famous because she's royal. That said, at least she has genuinely achieved something worthwhile outside of that, even if her sports opportunities were taxpayer funded

I think he is someone who has grown up with serious trauma. But also he was born of entitlement, stupidity, pre-existing mental health issues. It's not the best combination.

I don't know if he has a personality disorder, I mean its not like he is schizophrenic and sociopathic and stabbing children, but he's clearly got a few tiles loose.

I’m a big fan of Andy Murray, but claiming he’s a GOAT in tennis is ridiculous!

I don't doubt that Princess Anne and Zara had an advantage in training for a very expensive sport because of their background and wealth. However, noone gets selected for national (including Olympic) teams based on a title and noone wins medals without real ability.

Mike T is beside the point, he was a rugby international before he met Zara.

She’s also very amusing she’s widely liked, even by the press. In fact she’s so decent it makes me doubt some of Diana’s narratives about her, although I have always been deeply sympathetic re: Diana.

I’m not comparing anyone with anyone. But I
don’t think many winners of Olympic Team Silver medals are able to make a career out of sponsorship without anything else to offer.

noone wins medals without real ability.

And putting in the work. Ability alone doesn't win medals.

I respect a woman who is world class in her field. How tough do you think it is to be a world class Three Day Eventer, or an Olympian?
The horse doesn't know she's royal.
She's not putting dried flowers on takeaways or twerking to get attention. She's had a proper, demanding career.

She's an Olympian. She is a successful horse woman. What part of that is so difficult to understand?

Indeed, Brooklyn as next David Bailey sadly springs to mind & his brief stint at Parsons.

Absolutely nothing. What part of “people who win team Silver Olympic medals do not get sponsorships lucrative enough for them not to need to do any other work for the rest of their lives” is so difficult to understand?

Of course. I thought we were talking about her sponsorships.