How can Harry be so deluded?

[HiRen]

The paranoia deepens

I don't really know what to conclude from this other than that Harry must feel the victim of a deep state conspiracy. Being a spoilt brat, and not understanding that he's there to serve his country rather than the country being there to serve him, can't help. Even if he did fear strategic delays, why would he jump to the conclusion that specific individuals have it in for him, rather than that there's a bigger picture to consider?

I just can't fathom the depths of misery and confusion he must experience on a daily basis. He must think his whole life was a lie until he met Meghan. I really do think things with Harry are much worse than they seem. Which puts an entirely different, and much darker, gloss on all of Meghan's utterings of her era of joy.

I honestly wouldn't want to be in their orbit. And I wonder whether those who remain in their orbit are desperate, whether as friends or employees. They're too much.

Why can't they earn their own money (private income) and do royal engagements? After all both William and Charles do via the the Duchy (considered private income)

The Yorks are off commercialiskng themselves overseas and making money off the back of being royal and still attended engagements.

Same with the Tindalls.

Not sure why H&M wanting to earn their own money is such a problem.

They still aren't among the most famous children in the world. So whether the HM Passport office recognises their names or not is irrelevant. As others have detailed many times on this thread, there was no great scandal in the delay, just that he clearly hadn't filled in their actual names correctly.

Because she wanted to merch their titles. Working privately is a different beast altogether.

Rich actor or CEO? Eh? The CEOs I know bear massive, massive amounts of risk and responsibility, I’m pretty ambitious but there’s no way in hell I’d want that job - far too stressful. That’s probably why they get paid a lot. Can’t see Harry in that role as he would tank the company.

I mean there were constant rumours when I was a child that he was not Charles son,

There are still people spreading those rumours, as recently as yesterday, on this thread, or another one.

The Yorks are off commercialiskng themselves overseas and making money off the back of being royal and still attended engagements.
Same with the Tindalls.

The Yorks and the Tindalls are not working royals. They do not undertake engagements where they represent the sovereign or wear uniform. They do not receive public money. The Tindalls do not have titles.

They do turn out for garden parties. Meghan, otoh, walked out of a garden party because she was bored. Harry ditched the Royal Marines for a film premiere, where he touted for voiceover work for Meghan.

They are making their own money and living off being royal! That's entirely H&M's thing.
Do you think that Meghan would get that housewife show if she wasn't married to a Prince?
Everything they have got, everything they do is because they are trading on royal status.

Maybe Harry wrote into one of those guardian columns that help ordinary people struggling with bureaucracy gone mad. The ones where people get gas bills for £50k yet live in a one bed flat and the gas company won’t believe there is a mistake or where an ordinary person’s driving licence is lost by the DVLA who claim they never received it despite proof they did. Or their bank closes all their accounts saying they have died when they are very much alive and kicking and even going into the branch with multiple forms of ID won’t change the banks mind.

So Harry wrote into one of these help columns to get help with the passport office. Maybe next time he could try the daily mail ones?

All members of the rf live off being royal in some form, as I said before the Yorks, the Tindalls. Do you thinknthwy would of got their jobs or things they do without being royal of course not. So why is it a problem for you if H&M do what the others do.

You don't know for certain if she wokld of got another show, she is an actress. It is likley she would of found another part on another show.

Why are you quoting and asking me? Read the thread. I was responding to a poster who said that the matter being discussed came from Daily Mail gossip. I was correcting them that the matter being discussed came from H&M's own exit statement.

The Tindalls don't have titles to profit from. Beatrice and Eugenie don't use their titles professionally. If you go onto their company websites they're listed as "Beatrice York" and "Eugenie York". Harry and Meghan use their titles constantly for their businesses. You never see "Harry Sussex" or "Meghan Mountbatten-Windsor" or anything that looks like a surname. It's always "Prince Harry" or "the Duchess of Sussex" and we're increasingly seeing the HRHs being used. That's the difference between them.

Whether he is biologically Charles' son is no one else's business, because he is undoubtedly legally Charles' son.

Yes this is exactly right. British aristocrats will have an official surname and may also have a "styled as" surname derived from the title they currently hold, if any.

Using as an example the aristocrat and historian John Julius Norwich, he was born John Julius Cooper and that remained his official name but once his father became Viscount Norwich (a title he later inherited himself) the family started using Norwich as a "styled as" surname. He wrote his books and was known in society as John Julius Norwich but once confirmed to a journalist that his legal docs (passport, driving licence etc) were in his birth certificate name John Cooper.

See also Prince William's family. PW used Wales as a surname initially as son of POW, then Cambridge after receiving the dukedom, then Wales again after he became POW himself. But on the odd occasion he has to use a legal surname, such as legal proceedings in court in France which doesn't recognise titles/styled as names he uses Mountbatten-Windsor, the surname selected by the late Queen for descendants of the monarch. (Interestingly Catherine chose to use Middleton even though she was married which makes me roll my eyes at people who claim that the press referring to her as Kate Middleton is "disrespectful".)

So Harry has tried to get passports for the kids with the surname Sussex without any evidence that their birth certificate surnames have been officially changed, probably because they haven't been. He really is a bit thick.

Maybe that’s what the problem was, they only sent photos of the back of their heads!

But him and William have had different roles from the start, and are very different people. William had a purpose, he had to continue the brand. Harry was severely neglected.

I agree he is an adult now, and needs to have a word with himself and stay out of the limelight for a few years. It will be hard, but it is possible.

Is it not the case that his children already had perfectly good passports? So what he was aiming to do was make an unnecessary and one might say whimsical change to their names. Quite right that the Passport Office didn’t just roll over and oblige, they would be aware of any implications of doing so, and some hapless civil servant would have been in the firing line.

Agreed and I also wonder why it is that Harry seems to think that Charles is taking some sort of personal role in what happens with Harry’s encounters with UK government departments. First we have him insisting that Charles could get involved with RAVEC and sort out his security. Now he thinks that Charles is fiddling with the process of getting a passport. How would Charles have known that Harry was trying to get name changed passports, unless someone at the passport office told him (presumably unethical), or Harry told him himself? What would Charles gain from blocking Harry’s passport applications? Presumably he would be pleased to see his grandchildren 🤷‍♀️. Harry is a prize pillock

This is a good point. UK children’s passports are valid for five years. Lili is only just four and clearly had a passport when she was one as she travelled to the UK for the platinum jubilee. So for her, at least, the new passport was completely unnecessary as she already had one that’s valid for at least one more year even if it was issued virtually at birth.

Where’s the 😂 emoji when you need it ?

How was he severely neglected? Ignoring for a moment the hyperbole of this statement (because I am sure that children who are actually neglected would kill for his childhood), the only actually ‘evidence’ of any wrongdoing to Harry is his own claims, claims that he is peddling out for large payments so not entirely trustworthy.

He is also proving to be delusional and admits to mental health issues and drug use so not sure his take on it can really be taken as 100% truth.

A tiny tiny part of me feels extremely sorry for Harry in that he is clearly struggling with his lack of role since he left the uk. Then I remember his Oprah & bbc interviews, book, NF, and my pity evaporates. He needs to grow up and shut up.

Personally I think royal titles for monarch, their spouse, dcs and no one else. Make it retrospective once QEII cousins have gone.

If Beatrice and Eugenie lose their titles, then so be it. Mind you I’d love to be a fly on the wall at the yorks house when that happens!!!

@2021x

In what way was Harry severely neglected ?

As a side interest-I know the Monarch doesn’t have a passport (or I think I know that!). Does Camilla have one? Is there anyone else who doesn’t? Ambassadors?

Bring back stylised surnames for ordinary folk:

John Office-Bore

Kevin de Bastard

Dave Flatulent-Lazy

Lee Longlegs

Emma Idle-Gossip

Sue Nosey-Parker

Freddie Fuckwit

Would save us all so much time in social situations.

In the U.K. it’s only The Monarch who does not require a passport so Camilla etc need them .

But he didn't want out.

He wanted to stay in but just not live in the UK and do the boring bits like meet the commoners. He just wanted to 24/7 taxpayer funded security and do the glam bits.

If it was so miserable and stifling why did he still want it?