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Do you think some of you are addicted to hating Harry and Meghan?

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wowwhataday · 11/05/2025 09:33

More and more these manic threads are popping up on mumsnet, wild posts and theories and then hundreds of posts brimming with excitement about catching them out or exposing them. It’s like a game or a hunt. Have many of you crossed the line from interested to addicted?

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NewAgeNewMe · 16/05/2025 08:15

Tomatotater · 16/05/2025 07:32

That's why it shouldn't be done on that basis. Get rid of Prince/Princess for everyone not in the direct line of succession and get rid of everyone who doesn't permanently live or was not born in the UK. One rule for everyone, playing ball or not. As weve seen from Princess Annes kids they have done fine- yes they trade on their family line but that can't be helped, but they knew they would have to make a life for themselves without being ' Prince/Princess'. Compared to Beatrice and Eugene, who's jobs seem to consist of allowing their names and titles to be on letterheads, taking over their parents grifting from dodgy Oligarchs business and fluttering their eyelids innocently wondering how come they have piles of cash in their bank account.

It is how Monarchy works in other countries, so it could be here if only our Monarchy were willing to give up any of their wealth and status without a fight.

👏👏👏👏

Reallyhowisthatthecase333 · 16/05/2025 08:16

I don’t claim to know how Harry’s mind works, but given his childhood, and constant hassles with the press, I am not sure that his insistence on his children’s titles is about giving them the possibility of living a royal life.

I think it’s far more to do with the fact that within the Royal Family, where the demands of the institution often take precedence over emotional closeness; titles, status, allocation of security detail all equate to “how much am I loved and valued?”.

Sorry for the armchair psychology but you see similar hurt expressed in families where the parent for whatever reason, has not left equal inheritance to their offspring.

It’s usually always a bad idea! Even if one adult child is in bad straits financially and the other is thriving, because the money isn’t just about money, it represents love and “how much I am valued by my parent”.

Harry is an adult now so needs to accept things as they are, and work on doing something worthwhile for others, but if you have had a childhood rattling between boarding school, your parents’s many homes, your grandmother’s estates, with lots of foreign trips thrown in during the holidays, especially when you are aware that you don’t “count” as much as your brother, then I can imagine that it doesn’t lead to feels of enormous self worth or security. And that’s leaving aside the loss of his mother, Hence his need for titles for his dc, and the big deal about his security ranking, because sadly, within the RF, it’s those things that determine and demonstrate your value.

CurlewKate · 16/05/2025 08:32

FenellaFeldman · 16/05/2025 07:39

Yes, I have read quite a lot about it - it fascinates me. The cabinet papers make it all clear. Edward's red dispatch boxes were not kept secure, and Wallis' friend Ribbentrop almost certainly had access to them. They had to go.

There’s a bit in a Peter Wimsey story about E being careless with his red boxes….

Munnygirl · 16/05/2025 08:39

FenellaFeldman · 16/05/2025 07:24

Please. Don't get personal. Maybe I agreed with much of it, has that occurred to you? Apart from excusing Harry.
Oh and the pro Nazi Edward and his vile antisemitic segregationist wife were ousted by the Baldwin government when it became clear they were a threat to the nation's security.
Harry is posturing on the subject of race and madly back peddled when some of his accusations against the RF were proven to be unfounded.

And didn’t he blame William and Kate for the nazi uniform incident?

Reallyhowisthatthecase333 · 16/05/2025 08:44

Munnygirl · 16/05/2025 08:39

And didn’t he blame William and Kate for the nazi uniform incident?

I believe he said in Spare,

“I tried it on," he continued. "Willy and Kate started roaring with laughter."

Make of that what you will!

CurlewKate · 16/05/2025 08:48

it’s interesting that the prevalent Wallis Simpson luring Edward away from his family and his duty narrative is mirrored by the Meghan influencing Harry one. A mixture of misogyny and xenophobia?

prelovedusername · 16/05/2025 08:58

Reallyhowisthatthecase333 · 16/05/2025 08:16

I don’t claim to know how Harry’s mind works, but given his childhood, and constant hassles with the press, I am not sure that his insistence on his children’s titles is about giving them the possibility of living a royal life.

I think it’s far more to do with the fact that within the Royal Family, where the demands of the institution often take precedence over emotional closeness; titles, status, allocation of security detail all equate to “how much am I loved and valued?”.

Sorry for the armchair psychology but you see similar hurt expressed in families where the parent for whatever reason, has not left equal inheritance to their offspring.

It’s usually always a bad idea! Even if one adult child is in bad straits financially and the other is thriving, because the money isn’t just about money, it represents love and “how much I am valued by my parent”.

Harry is an adult now so needs to accept things as they are, and work on doing something worthwhile for others, but if you have had a childhood rattling between boarding school, your parents’s many homes, your grandmother’s estates, with lots of foreign trips thrown in during the holidays, especially when you are aware that you don’t “count” as much as your brother, then I can imagine that it doesn’t lead to feels of enormous self worth or security. And that’s leaving aside the loss of his mother, Hence his need for titles for his dc, and the big deal about his security ranking, because sadly, within the RF, it’s those things that determine and demonstrate your value.

But within the RF there are plenty of others with rank and titles who are lower in the pecking order than him. Harry has chosen to measure himself up against William who is Top Dog, Surely one of the many therapists he must have seen would have explored that thinking with him?

CurlewKate · 16/05/2025 09:05

Reallyhowisthatthecase333 · 16/05/2025 08:44

I believe he said in Spare,

“I tried it on," he continued. "Willy and Kate started roaring with laughter."

Make of that what you will!

I do think the Nazi uniform is a bit of a red herring. Most posh boys have questionable pictures of themselves in tasteless/racist/objectionable costumes hidden away somewhere-it’s something they do. Or, one can sincerely hope, did. Blackface is a favorite for many. The fact that the party was called (wasn’t it?) Colonials and Natives suggests that there would be a lot of vile costumes there.

Spectre8 · 16/05/2025 09:14

CurlewKate · 16/05/2025 09:05

I do think the Nazi uniform is a bit of a red herring. Most posh boys have questionable pictures of themselves in tasteless/racist/objectionable costumes hidden away somewhere-it’s something they do. Or, one can sincerely hope, did. Blackface is a favorite for many. The fact that the party was called (wasn’t it?) Colonials and Natives suggests that there would be a lot of vile costumes there.

How many of us if invited to a party called colonials and natives would go? I wouldn't the name itself is enough to make you feel uncomfortable and I wouldn't go. There are so many themes you could have so unless they had so many they ran out of ideas...Just cant ever imagine why anyone would think that is a good idea. Shame on everyone who went to it.

FenellaFeldman · 16/05/2025 09:15

Spectre8 · 16/05/2025 09:14

How many of us if invited to a party called colonials and natives would go? I wouldn't the name itself is enough to make you feel uncomfortable and I wouldn't go. There are so many themes you could have so unless they had so many they ran out of ideas...Just cant ever imagine why anyone would think that is a good idea. Shame on everyone who went to it.

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FenellaFeldman · 16/05/2025 09:16

@CurlewKate ...plus, if a person chooses to wear a Nazi outfit, even for a party, it tells us a lot about that person. No excuses. No "red herring"

CurlewKate · 16/05/2025 09:19

FenellaFeldman · 16/05/2025 09:16

@CurlewKate ...plus, if a person chooses to wear a Nazi outfit, even for a party, it tells us a lot about that person. No excuses. No "red herring"

Fair enough.

IAmATorturedPoet · 16/05/2025 09:19

I‘m always a bit 😮 when posters try and excuse his racism and bad behaviour time and time again.

The uniform wearing wasn’t a ‘one off’ incident. No red herring.

As I have mentioned previously when this subject has come up, he was racist then and I believe he still is now - my opinion.

CurlewKate · 16/05/2025 09:21

FenellaFeldman · 16/05/2025 09:15

This ⬆️ 💯

I agree. Just trying to add a bit of historical/class context.

CurlewKate · 16/05/2025 09:23

IAmATorturedPoet · 16/05/2025 09:19

I‘m always a bit 😮 when posters try and excuse his racism and bad behaviour time and time again.

The uniform wearing wasn’t a ‘one off’ incident. No red herring.

As I have mentioned previously when this subject has come up, he was racist then and I believe he still is now - my opinion.

I thought it was a one off. Very different if it’s a consistent pattern of behaviour.

MrsFinkelstein · 16/05/2025 09:25

CurlewKate · 16/05/2025 09:23

I thought it was a one off. Very different if it’s a consistent pattern of behaviour.

He filmed himself calling an Army colleague a "P@ki", called a other a raghe@d.

When he was discussing his Zimbabwean heiress girlfriend Chelsy he said "don't worry, she's not black".

He said to Stephen Amos he "didn't sound like a black chap".

I'm no expert, but I'd say that's a pattern.

Edit - tried to get rid of the bolding

Reallyhowisthatthecase333 · 16/05/2025 09:26

IAmATorturedPoet · 16/05/2025 09:19

I‘m always a bit 😮 when posters try and excuse his racism and bad behaviour time and time again.

The uniform wearing wasn’t a ‘one off’ incident. No red herring.

As I have mentioned previously when this subject has come up, he was racist then and I believe he still is now - my opinion.

To me though, Harry is very much a product of his upbringing.

IAmATorturedPoet · 16/05/2025 09:27

Reallyhowisthatthecase333 · 16/05/2025 09:26

To me though, Harry is very much a product of his upbringing.

To me though, that’s just another excuse

IAmATorturedPoet · 16/05/2025 09:30

MrsFinkelstein · 16/05/2025 09:25

He filmed himself calling an Army colleague a "P@ki", called a other a raghe@d.

When he was discussing his Zimbabwean heiress girlfriend Chelsy he said "don't worry, she's not black".

He said to Stephen Amos he "didn't sound like a black chap".

I'm no expert, but I'd say that's a pattern.

Edit - tried to get rid of the bolding

Edited

Agree @MrsFinkelstein there is very much a pattern.

There is no ‘one off’ or ‘red herring’.

CurlewKate · 16/05/2025 09:36

MrsFinkelstein · 16/05/2025 09:25

He filmed himself calling an Army colleague a "P@ki", called a other a raghe@d.

When he was discussing his Zimbabwean heiress girlfriend Chelsy he said "don't worry, she's not black".

He said to Stephen Amos he "didn't sound like a black chap".

I'm no expert, but I'd say that's a pattern.

Edit - tried to get rid of the bolding

Edited

Fair enough. I didn’t know that.

IAmATorturedPoet · 16/05/2025 09:41

@CurlewKate you didn’t know any of that?

Knakeredd · 16/05/2025 09:47

Reallyhowisthatthecase333 · 16/05/2025 07:38

Come now, asking a legitimate question as to why you ignored the rest of my points in a post does not even remotely resemble “getting personal”.

If you look at some of the personal comments myself and other republicans have had to face on these threads over the years, it doesn’t remotely qualify!

If you agreed with it, then I am delighted!

Incidentally, we have no idea as to why Harry back-pedalled. I think there were probably a lot more things he could have said surrounding that issue, and a lot more things he could have included in Spare, but didn’t.

Edited

I think there were probably a lot more things he could have said surrounding that issue, and a lot more things he could have included in Spare, but didn’t.

Agree. He could have explained why he was so comfortable filming himself calling his colleague a p&ki and a r&g-head ..... and gone on to why he never apologised for this for over 20 years - having already been forced to acknowlege his previous racist behaviour.

He has also been reported calling a landlord a f&ucking frog - alongside the list of other racist incidents PP has posted.

PH is the single standout royal with the most repeated racist behaviour against him.

Munnygirl · 16/05/2025 09:48

Spectre8 · 16/05/2025 09:14

How many of us if invited to a party called colonials and natives would go? I wouldn't the name itself is enough to make you feel uncomfortable and I wouldn't go. There are so many themes you could have so unless they had so many they ran out of ideas...Just cant ever imagine why anyone would think that is a good idea. Shame on everyone who went to it.

I never thought I would agree with you @Spectre8 but I do wholeheartedly

Reallyhowisthatthecase333 · 16/05/2025 09:48

IAmATorturedPoet · 16/05/2025 09:27

To me though, that’s just another excuse

Oh I thought it was royalists who always alway point out that Harry was protected by the PR machine of the palace? So now he does not come under that umbrella, all of his failings are exposed.

Logically therefore, the PR machine is doing the same for other members of the RF too!
You can’t have it both ways!

I’m in no way defending Harry’s racist acts which were truly despicable, but at least he appeared on tv and was prepared to admit mistakes, and discuss whether he was bigoted or not. That’s more than the rest of them have done to be fair!

Reallyhowisthatthecase333 · 16/05/2025 09:51

Munnygirl · 16/05/2025 09:48

I never thought I would agree with you @Spectre8 but I do wholeheartedly

I agree with you too Spectre8

The whole theme of the party was horribly ill-judged and ill-conceived, and downright appalling !

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