Page 36 | Do you think some of you are addicted to hating Harry and Meghan?

wowwhataday · 2025-05-11T08:33:22+00:00

More and more these manic threads are popping up on mumsnet, wild posts and theories and then hundreds of posts brimming with excitement about catching them out or exposing them. It’s like a game or a hunt. Have many of you crossed the line from interested to addicted?

foreverblowingbubbless · 15/05/2025 14:34

StandingOnYourMamasPorch · 15/05/2025 14:08

It’s normal to have conversations about what your children will look like in mixed race families in my experience, but there is a difference between excited chat/curiosity and concern. When we talked about with it our family and friends, we had both excited curiosity from people which was really lovely actually, but also the more negative concern type chat and questions from others unfortunately. It was heartbreaking to hear family talk like that.

In terms of having red hair genes, some of the people with red hair that I know are very keen to have them continue and have said as much. There have been threads on here where people with red hair have said they were bullied due to it and feel there is a sort of oppression that red haired people face. Some have compared it to racism, that’s not for me to comment on, but from my friends experiences and feelings and those threads, I can understand why some red haired people feel hopeful that their red haired genes come through.

Now that is quite the excuse to get Harry off the hook. He needs to continue his ginger genes due to bullying he may have had. Okaay..

foreverblowingbubbless · 15/05/2025 14:39

IDipYouDipWeDip · 15/05/2025 10:26

I’m not sure about that. Great lengths will be gone to in order to protect the institution. Harry is out of favour and the institution matters more. It’s a murky world.

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There are just so many possibilities aren't there? Let's not go with the sensible one but let's plump for an outlandish one.

foreverblowingbubbless · 15/05/2025 14:42

MrsFinkelstein · 15/05/2025 10:04

"Whatever the cause, my memory is my memory, it does what it does, gathers and curates as it sees fit, and there’s just as much truth in what I remember and how I remember it as there is in so-called objective facts. Things like chronology and cause-and-effect are often just fables we tell ourselves about the past. The past is never dead. It’s not even past." Prince Harry, Spare.

Harry admits he may not remember or recall things accurately, or even understand them in the correct context.

ie., makes shit up.

Burnie Burns Conspiracy GIF by Rooster Teeth

And takes drugs...

StandingOnYourMamasPorch · 15/05/2025 14:44

foreverblowingbubbless · 15/05/2025 14:34

Now that is quite the excuse to get Harry off the hook. He needs to continue his ginger genes due to bullying he may have had. Okaay..

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I don’t think Harry has said anything to be got off the hook from. He didn’t express concern about his child’s skin and hair colour, but sure, twist it to suit your narrative and tell that to all the red haired people who want their red genes to come out in their children.

If anyone expresses concern about a child’s colouring, I would say that it isn’t acceptable. If anyone has lied about people expressing concern about a child’s colouring, that is also unacceptable. Either is indefensible. The Royals may have said it or Harry and Meghan may have lied, I don't know and neither does anyone else who wasn’t in there.

foreverblowingbubbless · 15/05/2025 14:45

RandyRedHumpback · 15/05/2025 09:34

He didn't say anything. That was Meghan. Who was not the one who had the conversation in the first place, which allegedly occurred when they were still in the dating stage. Harry wasn't present for that part of the interview with Oprah. When he joined them and she asked, he said he never wanted to discuss it. He didn't refer to whatever "it" was either in the subsequent 4 part Netflix doc or in Spare. When asked about it in January 2023, he denied MM had accused the RF of racism and said the press had made it up. But still he put his family through 18 months of torture over it and picked up the Ripple of Hope Award.

Here's an article (from H&M's publication of choice) with quotations from Ripple of Hope's Kerry Kennedy about why they received the award:

"They went to the oldest institution in U.K. history and told them what they were doing wrong, that they couldn't have structural racism within the institution;

https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-receiving-award-for-heroic-stand-structural-racism-monarchy-kerry-kennedy/

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To me this basically says that Harry knew what Meghan was going to say and for whatever reason he didn't want to be there at that point hence the joining the interview at a later point. Maybe he felt a little bit uncomfortable with it despite the fact that he is a plonker?

wordler · 15/05/2025 14:47

This is one of the things I judge Harry and Meghan for doing.

It’s four years since the Oprah interview - there have been numerous opportunities for them to clear up this issue rather than let it fester.

I’m convinced that the reason they haven’t said anything is that it’s an absolute nothing / minor comment that if they actually did reveal would make everyone go “that was all?”

foreverblowingbubbless · 15/05/2025 14:47

StandingOnYourMamasPorch · 15/05/2025 14:44

I don’t think Harry has said anything to be got off the hook from. He didn’t express concern about his child’s skin and hair colour, but sure, twist it to suit your narrative and tell that to all the red haired people who want their red genes to come out in their children.

If anyone expresses concern about a child’s colouring, I would say that it isn’t acceptable. If anyone has lied about people expressing concern about a child’s colouring, that is also unacceptable. Either is indefensible. The Royals may have said it or Harry and Meghan may have lied, I don't know and neither does anyone else who wasn’t in there.

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You are the one who said that red haired people may want their children to be red haired also 🤷‍♀️ what is this? Some kind of plot for ginger world domination?

StandingOnYourMamasPorch · 15/05/2025 14:56

wordler · 15/05/2025 14:47

This is one of the things I judge Harry and Meghan for doing.

It’s four years since the Oprah interview - there have been numerous opportunities for them to clear up this issue rather than let it fester.

I’m convinced that the reason they haven’t said anything is that it’s an absolute nothing / minor comment that if they actually did reveal would make everyone go “that was all?”

I think it’s more likely that he just thinks so much of himself that he doesn’t feel the need to explain any more than he wants to. He/they decide what they’re going to say and then they just ignore any backlash because they don’t care about the publics opinion. In their own opinion they they’re amazing. 😂 Then they get lots of awards ans Netflix contracts and it adds to their belief that they are great. It’s quite something to have such a high opinion of yourself. It probably comes from his background of being part of the elite. Then combine that with marrying an actress who probably has a big ego and there we have it, a couple who can’t self reflect.

CoffeeCantata · 15/05/2025 14:57

Spectre8 · 14/05/2025 17:10

Funny how the comments on those insisting on calling someone a pro, fan, supporter gets ignored. At what point are those posters going to stop calling people that if the person says they aren't.

Those posters don't like being called haters etc yet happy to label other people incorrectly and when corrected ignore it and carry on doing it.

One thing I will agree with you about, Spectre, is that the real fan-girling, gushing, sycophantic threads, salivating about Meghan and her wardrobe, do seem to have gone (there are some much more moderate complimentary posts about her clothing on the royal fashion thread right now). I wonder if there's another forum for them now? Or have the posters just settled down a bit?

They were extremely adulatory and posters really were besotted 'fans'.

I didn't like them because I'm an old puritan and adoring people because of their looks and their clothing budget rubs me up the wrong way. Also, at the time Meghan's appearance at IG was somewhat controversial and concerns were being wilfully ignored in order to gush over her. It was very teenage.

StandingOnYourMamasPorch · 15/05/2025 14:58

foreverblowingbubbless · 15/05/2025 14:47

You are the one who said that red haired people may want their children to be red haired also 🤷‍♀️ what is this? Some kind of plot for ginger world domination?

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I have red haired friends who wanted their children to have red hair, were very happy when they did and there have been threads on here saying the same.

Tomatotater · 15/05/2025 15:00

StandingOnYourMamasPorch · 15/05/2025 14:08

It’s normal to have conversations about what your children will look like in mixed race families in my experience, but there is a difference between excited chat/curiosity and concern. When we talked about with it our family and friends, we had both excited curiosity from people which was really lovely actually, but also the more negative concern type chat and questions from others unfortunately. It was heartbreaking to hear family talk like that.

In terms of having red hair genes, some of the people with red hair that I know are very keen to have them continue and have said as much. There have been threads on here where people with red hair have said they were bullied due to it and feel there is a sort of oppression that red haired people face. Some have compared it to racism, that’s not for me to comment on, but from my friends experiences and feelings and those threads, I can understand why some red haired people feel hopeful that their red haired genes come through.

I think there is a big difference between chatting casually about what the kids would look like in terms of skin colour with the Black/ Asian/ whatever parent there, and talking about it behind that parents back. I do suspect Harry was pissed off about the title conversation and has wound her up by then relaying a separate conversation from when they were dating to her about the baby's colour. But no one knows. Harry has a massive chip on his shoulder about how important he is. I doubt he would have been happy about having titles taken away from his children.

CoffeeCantata · 15/05/2025 15:03

theraininspainisapain · 15/05/2025 13:43

Yes, Harry has sounded very relieved that Dorias genes weren't the ones passed down. Its kind of funny how he assumes it was the Spencer genes the kids got and not the Windsor/Mountbatten nor the Markle genes.

In fact, its the Markle genes that seem to be the strongest, in Meghan herself and in the photos we have seen of their kids, both of them bear the strongest resemblance to the Markles than anyone else.

Those Markle genes do seem to be strong! But then I can't really see that much of Doria OR Thomas in Meghan. Yes, I know she's had a lot of work done, but even so, she is very different both from Doria (whom I imagine is a natural beauty? She looks very natural) and her father. For a start - Meghan is SO slender and willowy. Does she have to work very hard, I wonder, to maintain that physique, or is it her natural look? Yes, Doria is petite, but she's not as tall (is she?) or willowy as Meghan. Perhaps Thomas was a slim man when young!

theraininspainisapain · 15/05/2025 15:08

I could imagine a scenario where Harry was musing with someone 'I really love her, I want to marry her, but what if our kids are black like her mom' a conversation then took place around that and Harry twisted it to make him the non racist in the story.

This is what he said about his ex girlfriend.

"She's not black or anything, you know." Prince Harry explained the other day, answering an inquiry about his nascent relationship with Zimbabwean heiress Chelsy Davy.

So he has form.

foreverblowingbubbless · 15/05/2025 15:11

😳😳😳

foreverblowingbubbless · 15/05/2025 15:13

StandingOnYourMamasPorch · 15/05/2025 14:58

I have red haired friends who wanted their children to have red hair, were very happy when they did and there have been threads on here saying the same.

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So you are applying this to Harry?

Mylovelygreendress · 15/05/2025 15:13

The use of the word concerns was deliberate . Not curiosity, not interest , not excitement because they could all be read as nice words whereas concerns definitely has negative impact .

StandingOnYourMamasPorch · 15/05/2025 15:16

theraininspainisapain · 15/05/2025 15:08

I could imagine a scenario where Harry was musing with someone 'I really love her, I want to marry her, but what if our kids are black like her mom' a conversation then took place around that and Harry twisted it to make him the non racist in the story.

This is what he said about his ex girlfriend.

"She's not black or anything, you know." Prince Harry explained the other day, answering an inquiry about his nascent relationship with Zimbabwean heiress Chelsy Davy.

So he has form.

No one can seriously dispute Harry’s past racism, the words he called people and dressing as a nazi were definitely racist and disgusting, but I don’t think the things he said about his own genes standing up to Meghans genes were racist at all.

StandingOnYourMamasPorch · 15/05/2025 15:30

Mylovelygreendress · 15/05/2025 15:13

The use of the word concerns was deliberate . Not curiosity, not interest , not excitement because they could all be read as nice words whereas concerns definitely has negative impact .

If they’re lying then it will have been deliberate obviously, but they may just be describing it how it was. I know lots of people, including us, who have had their own family talk about their future child’s skin colour in a negative way. Un
fortunately it doesn’t seem uncommon in mixed race families from my experience.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 15/05/2025 15:42

Thinking about the whole "he's not going to be given a title", maybe it was nothing to do with Prince/Princess, but Duke/Duchess?

Reminding Harry/informing Meghan that their kids wouldn't be working royals, wouldn't have royal weddings/be public figures, and consequently wouldn't have security because they didn't need it.

I imagine William and Catherine have talked/planned for supporting Charlotte and Louis into careers of their choice.

theraininspainisapain · 15/05/2025 15:42

I don’t think the things he said about his own genes standing up to Meghans genes were racist at all.

It could be viewed as a very offensive statement with pretty horrible undertones, if it had been said by someone other than Prince Harry. Discussing white genes over black genes is not exactly where we are in this day and age, to be fair.

Mylovelygreendress · 15/05/2025 15:46

Meghan used the word concerns . She hadn’t been present when these comments were ( allegedly) made .

prelovedusername · 15/05/2025 15:47

StandingOnYourMamasPorch · 15/05/2025 15:30

If they’re lying then it will have been deliberate obviously, but they may just be describing it how it was. I know lots of people, including us, who have had their own family talk about their future child’s skin colour in a negative way. Un
fortunately it doesn’t seem uncommon in mixed race families from my experience.

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But are those people public figures with a key constitutional role in the Commonwealth? There’s no evidence at all to support the allegations made by Meghan Markle about second hand discussions that weren’t even with her personally, but the British royal family has been tainted by it in the most damaging way.

That they tried to row back from what Markle said in that interview confirms that they lied and they know it.

CoffeeCantata · 15/05/2025 16:01

theraininspainisapain · 15/05/2025 15:08

I could imagine a scenario where Harry was musing with someone 'I really love her, I want to marry her, but what if our kids are black like her mom' a conversation then took place around that and Harry twisted it to make him the non racist in the story.

This is what he said about his ex girlfriend.

"She's not black or anything, you know." Prince Harry explained the other day, answering an inquiry about his nascent relationship with Zimbabwean heiress Chelsy Davy.

So he has form.

Ugh. It's a sign of his dimness that he is happy to pose as an anti-racism campaigner with his personal history - which he doesn't fully acknowledge. He just doesn't see any problem with it - or any irony.

CoffeeCantata · 15/05/2025 16:03

Mylovelygreendress · 15/05/2025 15:13

The use of the word concerns was deliberate . Not curiosity, not interest , not excitement because they could all be read as nice words whereas concerns definitely has negative impact .

I'm sure it was used deliberately and malevolently. - all with a doe-eyed expression from Meghan.

StandingOnYourMamasPorch · 15/05/2025 16:09

Unfortunately racism happens in all sorts of families. If this conversation happened, they were never going to have it in public so of course there wouldn’t be evidence.

It can never be proven that it happened or didn’t, although as we see, some people chose to believe one side of the other, that’s the nature of these things.