Do you think some of you are addicted to hating Harry and Meghan?

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More and more these manic threads are popping up on mumsnet, wild posts and theories and then hundreds of posts brimming with excitement about catching them out or exposing them. It’s like a game or a hunt. Have many of you crossed the line from interested to addicted?

I’m sure there were a few discussions where Charles was musing on his plans for the future of the monarchy and a slimmer down working team.

It always seemed to include Harry but I think they did suggest that maybe Meghan might want to continue acting instead of Royal duties.

As for the kids they will have been reminded that as (non heir) great grandchildren of the monarch that they would not get Prince and Princess titles until Charles became King.

I suspect Harry thought that they would make a change to the LP like they did for William ahead of George’s birth (in case he was a girl). And I wonder if Charles had suggested that they might follow Edward and Sophie’s example and keep to the Lord and Lady titles permanently because Harry’s kids would not be working royals etc etc.

I think they were both offended that they were being ‘offered’ less than William’s family and mixed up all the different things that were suggested into one big imagined insult to themselves.

It really does show the level of confidence? arrogance? lack of self awareness? I find it astounding that he has never properly addressed his past racism and yet now sees himself as some sort of role model in this area. Thats what comes of surrounding yourself with people who aren’t honest with you I suppose, he ends up looking like a hypocritical prat but seems clueless about why people think that about him.

I note you didn't answer my question. Or apologise for calling me a racist.

If the conversation happened and you decide to air it to a global audience then you need to say it from the chest. If you're calling/implying racism then it's important to share the narrative. It is not a subject to score points. Catherine is still being called the slur and nickname on Twitter. The both knew how damaging an accusation is and rowing back is not going to change that. The most racist part of the interview that we know as fact is Harry disregarding that both Meghan and Oprah reactions indicated racism and yet Harry dismisses two black women with the unconscious bias crap.

Yes, of course, it's a normal part of the wonderment of pregnancy to discuss what the child might look like, isn't it? And we did.

That's a very different conversation to worrying that your genes won't "stand up" to your partner's genes. At the very least, that's bloody nasty. Throw race into the equation, and it's beyond nasty. To express relief after the birth that your child did indeed take after you and not your POC wife is racist. I'm surprised Meghan wasn't upset, never mind Doria, whose heritage and influence was being feared by Harry. With the US's history of people of mixed heritage "passing" and the breaking up of families as a result, I am beyond disgusted.

Mind you, Meghan seems to be no better. In the Netflix doc, crowing over Lily's blue, blue blue eyes like Diana's, while dismissively mentioning that Archie takes after Meghan and hence Doria.

And none of this would probably have registered had they not created the furore over racism based on a colour conversation in the first place. An international furore bout a hearsay conversation recounted to an extremely poor interviewer, and a refusal by the man who actually had the conversation to clarify it, and his subsequent reverse ferreting on the episode. And they have had years to put the record straight, the perfect time for this being during last year's "revelations" in the Dutch edition of Scobie's book.

Well, they are, at best, fools, at worst malicious liars.
They should have understood the Letters Patent, or get someone a bit sharper to read them and explain, maybe do a PowerPoint.
What they should not have done is gone on tv and accused the RF of racism, claiming that the titles were linked to skin colour. Then accept an "award" for challenging racism in the RF.
Then - and this is the best bit - brazenly announce that their children are Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet with no apparent shame.
So. The vicious claims on Oprah weren't true.

Sorry, I didn’t notice I hadn’t answer your question. My answer is that you can make of it whatever you think based on what you know of your husband.

I didn’t call you racist. I was talking about how I’ve been spoken to by racist people in my own family and that they have used the argument you did. When I posted I was thinking of people in my own family and their racism. If it came across as if I was calling you racist, then I do apologise, but it’s really not what I meant. I don’t know you so that’s not something I would do. 💐

Well Meghan hinted on Oprah that there were conversations saying that Archie might not be a prince and it wouldn’t surprise me if they had been involved in discussions about future options and best practices going forward - ie follow Edward and Sophie’s example and don’t use the Prince and Princess titles or even changes to the LP which mean that only the grandchildren in the direct heir line get titles. Which at that point would have affected Harry’s kids and Charlotte and Louis’s kids in the future.

Meghan just heard that she potentially wasn’t getting something the Wales’ had and took the nuclear approach - hinting racism on Oprah which would mean Charles couldn’t make those reforms without it looking bad.

I do hope he or William do it before Charlotte and Louis have children.

Yes, @RandyRedHumpback . It happened with my children, and relatives were very curious to see how they would look. Their skin colour and hair texture were noted and admired and there was no negativity. I know how common this is, and don't know a family of poc who don't comment.
Harry himself speculated about his "ginger genes" and Meghan's heritage. They subsequently seemed to focus on Diana's appearance and were thrilled with blue eyes.
So, they're the worst kind of hypocrites.

No. Absolutely vile behaviour. Imagine doing that.
For money.

I suppose it was beyond either Meghan or Harry to:

1. Read the Letters Patent.
2. Ask Charles to clarify future plans
3. Not lie about racism.

I mean, why has Charles not followed through on this? Other Royal Families have done exactly the same thing he wanted to do, so why hasn't he?
It would be the ideal time to do it, when Harry is not a working Royal, and his children are not even in the same country. If Harry wants a family, not the institution, then he can have that. In one generation, we're potentially back up to William, Kate, their 3 kids, their spouses and George and Louis kids all being Prince/Princess. What happens with Charlotte's kids? Are they still going to have the situation where her younger brothers kids are Prince/Princess but hers aren't because shes a girl, even though she is higher up than Louis? Either they will have to make her kids Prince/Princess too, bloating the family even further or remove the right to titles from Louis children, which IMO is correct. So why not just do it now? It makes no sense, unless William is far more similar to Harry than anyone wants to admit and he doesn't want titles removed from his own grandchildren.

Plus, I find it highly unlikely that Charlotte or Louis would stoop as low as Meghan and Harry!

It makes perfect sense. King George V was trying to limit the numbers of people who could call themselves "Prince or Princess".
Meghan and Harry monetise their royalty and were obviously desperate for those titles for their children.
How their lies and vile gossip are the fault of anyone other than themselves is baffling.

Still some people on here defend the indefensible. Meghan and Harry are royal, that is their identity, status and privilege. It does not make them immune to criticism.

Thank you for the apology.

So you are saying racist people in your family make the same argument as me. So you are calling me a racist, yes?

And more confusingly, racist people in your family think like me: my view that a husband expressing hope that his genes aren't overpowered by his wife's genes, and relief that his did indeed prevail, and her genes are those of an African American, makes her husband someone with racist attitudes. Your racist relatives agree with that, do they?

Yes but it was limited to 'grandchildren of the Monarch down the male line'. Charles wanted to make it only grandchildren down the line of succession I believe. He should do that, pronto otherwise it will be left to William. Archie and Lilli are entitled to be Prince and Princess under the rules of course Harry and Meghan were going to use them. The worst ones always do, just like Andrew did but Edward didnt.If the royals dont want them to use them, it is up to the Royals to change their own rules so they cant.

I agree. The worst ones always do. That's clear.

What a shame that this thread has turned in to yet another ground hog day thread.
would have been nice to have one thread that didn’t turn into one.

He'll be accused of racism if he does, as you well know.

Edited to add: but I agree with you. He should. If only Harry and Megan had stuck to their professed wish to not burden their children with titles.

If people post opinions, then others are free to agree or disagree. We're having a discussion about the titles. It's not "groundhog day" if people feel it appropriate to discuss.

Of course he will. Those titles will be left well alone. Exactly what H&M want.

Well why don't you post something of substance relating to the OP, instead of policing everyone else?

As clarified by their friend Omid Scobie who, after the birth, said clearly that their son would be "Master Archie Mountbatten Windsor". Somewhat erroneously claiming that H&M were not going to use a title for him.

Many thanks for a thorough explanation, I assumed it was a normal conversation to have but 🤷‍♀️.
i agree with your other comments about the gushing about “ blue , blue eyes”, they seem almost obsessed with linking their children to Diana in anyway possible! Poor Doria .