Do you think some of you are addicted to hating Harry and Meghan?

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More and more these manic threads are popping up on mumsnet, wild posts and theories and then hundreds of posts brimming with excitement about catching them out or exposing them. It’s like a game or a hunt. Have many of you crossed the line from interested to addicted?

No. I’m just wondering why when
posters have been called “addicted “ to the Sussexes, the third degree about Harry’s security arrangements and claims of racism is suddenly being given 🤷‍♀️

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No idea, but do you question others intentions who seem to bring up new topics when it suits, shoehorn Meghan (or Kate) into a thread where they’re not relevant or post a load of memes and gifs which do nothing but derail the thread?

Threads go off on all sorts of tangents.

I see the Sussexs' are happy to 'put the record straight' about their supposed dinner with the Peltz Beckham duo, that was a fast response ! So they can poor cold water pretty swiftly when they want to. Hypocrites..

And posters question why we are “obsessed “ 🙄 it’s literally a new episode every day of drama! They are the gift that keeps on giving and I am so here for it! 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿

Well yes, if it’s obvious derailing. There are tangents and then there are tangents 😆

eta especially when the poster who brought up the question of Harry’s security on this particular thread was previously claiming that the number of posts that posters make is evidence of “addiction”. That is quite some pivot from one subject to another 🤷‍♀️

I am quite sure the "concern" part was thrown in by Meghan to garner sympathy and spark outrage.

IIRC her exact wording was that there were "conversations and concerns about how dark his skin would be", and I could believe that there were "conversations" - out of curiosity, without a grain of racism in there. Meghan threw in the word "concerns" because it fit her narrative. She couldn't of course be any more precise than that because she wasn't even there to hear those conversations - if indeed there was more than the one comment - first hand.

That's when this prior fan of Meghan began to smell the faint whiff of bullshit. The subsequent crap about titles and security being withheld because of Archie's skin colour then sealed the deal for me.

Having looked back, I think the poster who mentioned security was responding to someone saying Harry has said his family want him dead, which was about security wasn’t it, so was relevant? Or was the family wanting him dead comment about something else? I also presumed it was about his comments in the interview he did about security.

I don’t think his family want him dead, I think they want him to shut up. You can’t blame them for that. 😂

The most obvious derailing comes from the same few posters who I would describe as being in the disliking Harry camp.

Here is the link to the official court summary of the decision

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Duke-of-Sussex-v-Secretary-of-State-for-the-Home-Department-summary.pdf

Where have you seen this, can only see reports about the secret summit.

I don’t suppose we’ll ever know the truth on that matter. If it happened, it’s unforgivable of whoever said. If it didn’t happen, it’s unforgivable of Meghan and Harry to say it. Thats why there will be no real reconciliation ever in my opinion.

I'd like to point out that in addition to visiting countries with travel advisories and ringing doorbells in London, Harry also was not wearing a seatbelt during the alleged NYC car chase. All of this leads me to believe that he is his own worst enemy.

I recommend watching the Scott Rouse analysis of the BBC interview

See how defensive the ones obsessively bloody writing about them on these threads get. But yeah sure, it’s the ‘fans’ 🙄

Harry said something quite similar himself re the children's colouring;

"The Spencer gene is very, very strong," Harry interjected, referencing his maternal side of the family. "I actually really, genuinely thought at the beginning of my relationship [with Meghan] that should this go the distance and we have kids that there's no way the ginger gene will stand up to my wife's genes, but I was wrong!"

Yes. And he expressed it with relief. Totally racist, hoping his white genes "stood up" to her African American ones and being relieved that they did.

I don’t see that as similar. The problem with what Meghan and Harry alleged was said, was the part about their being ‘concern’ over skin colour. Harry isn’t expressing concern about the colour of his child’s hair or skin in the above. There is a big difference, no point pretending there isn’t.

He was expressing concern that they would look like her and not like him. And looking like her is what, exactly? Dark hair, dark skin, brown eyes, that her African American heritage would bestow.

These powers that the institution have does make me wonder why they haven't used them for Anne or Edward, for Camilla and Catherine prior to marriage. It's the same argument as having control of the press, the same press who hacked Charles with the unfortunate conversations with Camilla. That have paid compensation to Harry, William and Catherine

In the Oprah interview Meghan said the conversation was during her pregnancy and was in tandem with the prince / princess title.

Harry then totally contradicted her.

So either Harry was winding her up while she was pregnant and suicidal, or she lied about the timing of the discussion.

Its really does expose them for who they are when you read back on the transcript now.

Meghan: But I can give you an honest answer. In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time . . . so we have in tandem the conversation of ‘He won’t be given security, he’s not going to be given a title’ and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born.

Oprah: What?

…….Meghan shared with us that there was a conversation with you about Archie’s skin tone.

Harry: Mm-hmm.

Oprah: What was that conversation?

Harry: That conversation I’m never going to share, but at the time . . . at the time, it was awkward. I was a bit shocked.

Oprah: Can you . . . can you tell us what the question was?

Harry: No. I don’t . . . I’m not comfortable with sharing that.

Oprah: OK.

Harry: But that was . . . that was right at the beginning, right?

Oprah: Like, what will the baby look like?

Harry: Yeah, what will the kids look like?

Oprah: What will the kids look like?

Harry: But that was right at the beginning,

In hindsight, it could just as well have been Harry worried his Spencer genes wouldn't cut it.

No, I don’t believe that. I know that argument has been said to me a few times by racist people and I won’t accept it. I know the difference between people (including me), chatting about what my children might have looked like and people expressing ‘concern’ over what they might have looked like. People can believe what they like, like I will, but racist people and racist apologists will say anything to justify themselves in my experience.

Well since my heritage is Indian, I think I might have quite a good insight into the matter, don't you? If my (white) husband had started wondering if his ginger genes would beat my Indian ones, and then expressed relief that they did, what should I make of that?

Then we disagree. Not everyone who isn’t white or doesn’t have white children will agree. You can have your opinion and I can have mine, you will notice I said people can believe what they like in my previous post.

@RandyRedHumpbackcan I ask you , as a poc yourself did you have these conversations with family?
sorry to pry but obviously although both “white” my dh has totally different skin tones and hair colour, it was a topic in my family and I wondered if it’s unusual?

Yes, Harry has sounded very relieved that Dorias genes weren't the ones passed down. Its kind of funny how he assumes it was the Spencer genes the kids got and not the Windsor/Mountbatten nor the Markle genes.

In fact, its the Markle genes that seem to be the strongest, in Meghan herself and in the photos we have seen of their kids, both of them bear the strongest resemblance to the Markles than anyone else.

The only person who has spoken first hand of the conversation is Harry, who had a similar conversation with Stephen Colbert, luckily for Stephen it was a recorded conversation. So viewing the intent or even the accuracy relies upon Harry. Who then backtracked his version of events. Harry who tells his truth but carefully only allows scripted questions. Had the conversation took place what exactly did Harry say or do? The same with the blaming of the family for not supporting Meghan when she was suicidal when the bad guy in that timeline was Harry himself. How Harry can even be taken seriously regarding racism is dumbfounding.

It’s normal to have conversations about what your children will look like in mixed race families in my experience, but there is a difference between excited chat/curiosity and concern. When we talked about with it our family and friends, we had both excited curiosity from people which was really lovely actually, but also the more negative concern type chat and questions from others unfortunately. It was heartbreaking to hear family talk like that.

In terms of having red hair genes, some of the people with red hair that I know are very keen to have them continue and have said as much. There have been threads on here where people with red hair have said they were bullied due to it and feel there is a sort of oppression that red haired people face. Some have compared it to racism, that’s not for me to comment on, but from my friends experiences and feelings and those threads, I can understand why some red haired people feel hopeful that their red haired genes come through.