Prince William not in black at Pope's funeral

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I think William made a big mistake in not wearing a black suit to the Pope's funeral.
I think it was a sign of disrespect, particularly as he's going to head of the Church of England.

I know the invite said dark suits for men, but everyone else - except Trump of course! - knew that black was expected, and it's not as if he doesn't have a black suit.

Blimey, what a bonkers thread.
I can't believe there are posters here who still think dark suit should be 'interpreted' to mean black. As has been said many, many times already, if the Vatican had wanted men to wear black only they would have said black only (as they specifically stated for the women). It's really not difficult to understand. Dark blue fits the dress code of 'dark suit' for the men.

I just think one or two posters have decided in their own heads that William is wrong and can't move on from the fact that actually William was right and they are wrong. It's why this thread is now on its eleventh page.🤪

In St Peter’s square, which is elsewhere, the Vatican’s dress code applies :)

As far as I could see roughly a third of male attendees were in navy or dark grey suits, in line with the dress code, and most of the rest in black. Although, some of the black could also have been dark grey. Convention would say that men would only wear a black a black suit in the evening, and it would have tails.

Your ignorance of protocol and the dress code, combined with an obsession with your own rules, is making you look a little (I mean of course very…) silly :)

So "dark" means black ? Nuts 🥜

@Tryingtokeepgoing“Convention would say that men would only wear a black a black suit in the evening, and it would have tails.”

Are you talking about some specific Vatican convention? Because that’s not how men’s formal clothes work in Britain at least….

Apologies. Upper class / Royal convention :)
Black lounge suites are seen as common

What’s puzzling is that you’re still wittering in about this in complete opposition to the facts.

Scrapity scrape! 😁

And a personal attack, too.

Things are looking a bit desperate, aren't they?

I don't understand the "Anglophone" thing.
Was there some mistranslation from Italian (or Latin?!) that changed the word "black" into "dark"?

But translated it appropriately in the next sentence (for women)?

But translated it appropriately in the next sentence (for women)?

True.
It's a puzzle.

Despite the fact that convention for a British state funeral is black? Obviously there will be plenty of morning coats and uniforms, but also plenty of black suits….

British royal men wear either military attire or morning dress for a British state funeral. A morning coat can be black.

This wasn’t a British state funeral. The Vatican are entitled to have a dress code that they themselves set.

Black lounge suits are not habitually worn or owned by upper class men in the UK, whether at a funeral or anywhere else!

Given the point of a dress code is so guests know what is expected, there would be no point in issuing a dress code that needed 'interpretation'.

Hence the Vatican managing to specify 'black' dress for women. Because they meant 'black'. And could have specified 'black' for men if they had wanted black.

But they said 'dark', and William complied with a dark suit.

Is that all you've got to worry about JD Vance?

@DuchessOfPortI was responding to a poster saying that “posh” men in the UK only wear black in the evenings-and with tails.

Interestingly, a bit of googling shows Philip, Charles, Charles Spencer and William ans Harry all in black lounge suits at Diana’s funeral….

I think William might have been in dark blue but it hard to tell in photos with different light levels. I'm not sure PP was right about upper class conventions, these change over time after all.

As in English, they are two completely different words in Italian. Nero is black (Like Caffè Nero) and scuro is dark. So they can’t exactly be confused.

Yes.
That's what I thought was probably the case.
So I really don't get the significance of using "Anglophone" in this debate (such as it is).

It’s criticism for criticisms sake and making an argument out of nothing!
who knows why!

No among the upper class or royalty however. Though a variant on normal protocol is that those actually mourning (taken to mean family) can wear black if they choose. Although, Prince William wore navy to his mother's funeral. Many were in uniform of all colours for Diana, Prince Phillip and the late Queen Elizabeth's funeral.

All of which is irrelevant becuase dark grey, navy and black as worn by the overwhelming majority of men at the Pope's funeral were appropriate, in line with protocol and the dress code :)

I suspect it was an embarassingly mis-judged dig based on a lack of undertanding of what Anglophone actually means ;)

No blue or grey at a British State funeral. Uniform, morning coat or black suit for men. But hey ho-the pope’s funeral wasn’t a British Stare funeral so it doesn’t matter.

It’s not that “it doesn’t matter”, it was that the Vatican’s own dress code said “dark suit”. NOT “black suit”. So what does it not being a State Funeral (which technically it was anyway as the Vatican is a State) have to do with anything?

Are you sure because both Prince George and the Princess Royal's husband wore navy suits at the Queen's funeral? You'd think they or their advisors would know these things...