Prince William not in black at Pope's funeral

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I think William made a big mistake in not wearing a black suit to the Pope's funeral.
I think it was a sign of disrespect, particularly as he's going to head of the Church of England.

I know the invite said dark suits for men, but everyone else - except Trump of course! - knew that black was expected, and it's not as if he doesn't have a black suit.

The ‘privilege of white’ is given to Catholic Royalty. Usually the women ( I think there are 5 or 6 ) but only for meetings with the Pope.
Im not aware its for men and not for funerals except members of various Holy Orders.
No idea if that guy is from a Catholic Royal Family…..he’s sat very far back if he is. High up Catholics and Cardinals etc are supposed to take the front seats but they obviously got pushed back for non Catholics who apparently are more important……even at a funeral!

Although @PrinceYakimov the women were asked to wear head coverings. Not just Catholic women, all of them.
Im surprised they ignored this mark of respect.

Its more disrespectful than not wearing a dark enough suit.

The “privilege of white” doesn’t mean wearing “white tie”. It refers to Catholic royal women being allowed to wear all white. White tie refers to a black tail suit as is usually worn to a state banquet, which is what that gentleman was wearing 😆

Again, no one seems to have minded that not all the women covered their heads. Georgia Meloni did not cover hers for example. It does seem a tad misogynistic and old fashioned. I don’t think the Catholic Church feels it needs to enforce this particular guideline too strictly. I don’t think it’s disrespectful. Unlike taking selfies and filming during the mass, which would seem to me to be many times worse

I've seen some desperate threads on the RF board over the last few years, but this absolutely takes the biscuit for pathetic triviality. Talk about scraping a barrel.

There's no case to answer - William respected the dress-code. This must have been said about 40 times by pps, but still they come back with their ever-more-desperate jibes and goads.

Things must be bad for the Sussexes if this is all their apologists (and others) can muster!

Do we know anything about the guy in white tie? As someone has said-that’s not what the privilege of white means. There are some pretty obscure Vatican rules, though….

Apparently, White Tie Man is Prince Mariano Hugo of Winderich-Graetz. He’s a Gentleman of His Holiness-a ceremonial role that Francis was keen to get rid of. A bit like a Lady in Waiting. He was escorting the King and Queen of Norway-he’s distantly related to them. Don’t quote me-I found this out on Reddit!

No the one that was on the picture earlier in the thread was a different one 😆. Maybe someone in a similar position though 🤷‍♀️

@smilesyCurse you, Reddit expert!

But presumably he’s also a GofHH? Obviously not wearing the bling because funeral….

Probably

Not necessarily
This guy wearing a white bow tie with Starmer is wearing the Papal Cross Keys.

So obviously someone high up, respected etc in the Catholic Church
There are different dress codes. The one published ie dark colours, black for women etc etc are not for them.

Photo won’t load I’m afraid

Yea we have established who they probably are if you look at the above posts. Still has nothing to do with “privilege of white” though. More like the “white tie” is a sort of uniform

Although is it ok to say women have to wear black below the knee clothes.
Most followed that

I think if this was another religion in which women always covered their heads, or some where men have to they would have done it.

There are Many different religions steeped in history and rules and asking someone to respect that for one occasion isn’t much to ask I think.

Which do you find more offensive:

President Zelenskyy’s attire?

Or the fact that he and the country he leads didn’t crumple within hours when Russia invaded them?

You seem particularly offended.
I doubt it’s his clothing.
lol

I seem particularly offended by his clothing?

It wasn’t supposed to come across that way.

the stupidity of the war in Ukraine certainly bothers me

They're clearly a thing elsewhere, and I think St. Peter's Square counts as elsewhere.

So many others seem to have been able to interpret the instructions to mean black suit, and it's puzzling that some prominent Anglophones missed the mark or decided that what was acceptable where they lived would do fine for the occasion.

The King of Jordan and the Duke of Luxembourg, not anglophones, wore dark blue and looked great.
Black is not the only dark colour there is, even the Vatican knows this.

Yes, and it was fine for me occasion. Totally. Why wouldn't it be?

Hahaha coming fromna person who spends their time doing the same when its about H&M ...that's what you call pathetic trivality and scraping a barrel.

Good grief. Why do you think the Vatican stipulated dark suit for men if they wanted men to wear black. They were capable of stipulating black for women attendees.

I think between them the Vatican and the royal family and their advisers know slightly more about protocol than you. Give it a rest, you're coming across as petty and ridiculous now.

No “interpretation” was required. “Dark colour” meant just that. “Black” was specified for ladies, but not for men as pp have said. What has “Anglophones” got to do with it? You are making shit up 🙄

Dark Suit is a dress code in itself that falls short of Black Tie ( which does require a black suit) and White Tie ( which also does). Dark Suit is also sometimes referred to as Formal Suit. It’s usually as formal as daywear gets for men other than Morning dress or Morning suit.

It basically means anything other than light grey or tan - usually charcoal, navy or black. It doesn’t require black.

I think this whole discussion is a sad diversion from what was a truly moving funeral, attended by many people who had all clearly made an effort to look respectable according to their background and culture in order to pay their respects.

The best suits of all, I think, were the pall bearers. It was the perfect shade of navy under the sun. But I think everyone tried.

So many others seem to have been able to interpret the instructions to mean black suit, and it's puzzling that some prominent Anglophones missed the mark or decided that what was acceptable where they lived would do fine for the occasion.

You still haven’t explained why you think the correct “interpretation” of dark suit is black suit, and not dark suit? Do you agree that there are other dark colours apart from black?