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Harry and RAVEC #2

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Baital · 18/04/2025 15:37

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Baital · 02/05/2025 21:21

Yep. He's 'willing to forgive' . No sign of any recognition that he maybe hurt members of his family, and maybe needs their forgiveness...

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GoldThumb · 02/05/2025 21:23

It’s really frustrating watching the commentary elsewhere, basically blaming Charles.

Are people forgetting that, even if it was down to the monarch, that Charles wasn’t the monarch at the time?

And that QEII did write to represent him, but respected it was their decision?

Honestly, people are so dim

midlandsmummy123 · 02/05/2025 21:25

I think if Charles and eventually William are head of a church that preaches forgiveness then hopefully they will reconcile and hopefully make some happy memories, it would be sad if things remain the way they are between them.

Baital · 02/05/2025 21:28

Biblically repentance comes before forgiveness. I would hope that if Harry genuinely repents of the pain he has caused his family would forgive him.

His interview today doesn't show any signs of repentance.

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CathyorClaire · 02/05/2025 21:29

GoldThumb · 02/05/2025 21:23

It’s really frustrating watching the commentary elsewhere, basically blaming Charles.

Are people forgetting that, even if it was down to the monarch, that Charles wasn’t the monarch at the time?

And that QEII did write to represent him, but respected it was their decision?

Honestly, people are so dim

C3 has had two plus years to deal with his loose cannon darling boy.

Profhilodisaster · 02/05/2025 21:32

But the claw of Meghan is strong and he left because she was unhappy in the UK

One commentator said ' A dangerous woman will draw you further than gunpowder can blow you'

MrsLeonFarrell · 02/05/2025 21:32

CathyorClaire · 02/05/2025 21:29

C3 has had two plus years to deal with his loose cannon darling boy.

What would you suggest he do? I have been thinking about it and I can't really see what options he has. He can't order the government and foreign governments to make Harry an IPP. He can't allow half in half out. The problem with loose cannons is that ordinary methods don't work.

It would be so much easier if he was a supreme monarch!

PotolKimchi · 02/05/2025 21:32

There is also a huge contradiction in saying, they are hounding me and my wife but I want a reconciliation and all I wanted to do was represent the RF abroad even though they hated my wife.
Something doesn’t fully add up.

  • did they leave and were desperate to leave and heave a sigh of relief? (This was the narrative in the documentary)
  • or did they leave and want half in and half out and then the Queen said no (closer to the truth).

Having peddled version 1 for a long time Harry is clearly coming back to version 2 and hoping we have all forgotten version 1.

Also who is orchestrating this ‘stitch up’- is he accusing the judiciary of being corrupt? Is he saying his dad is corrupt? (Then why this desperate need to be reconciled with the corrupt monarch of a racist country?) After all if the establishment is the government then what is Yvette Cooper going to do? Surely she IS the establishment. is he saying the Met Police is corrupt? But he wants more protection from them.

So this blob, this establishment has it in for his family. But he also wants this same amorphous establishment to protect him and give him security? Why would he trust the establishment when it suits him and trash it when it doesn’t?! (Rhetorical question…)

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 02/05/2025 21:34

Well, everyday people like social workers get threats but don’t get armed security. He is delusional.

IcedPurple · 02/05/2025 21:39

PotolKimchi · 02/05/2025 21:32

There is also a huge contradiction in saying, they are hounding me and my wife but I want a reconciliation and all I wanted to do was represent the RF abroad even though they hated my wife.
Something doesn’t fully add up.

  • did they leave and were desperate to leave and heave a sigh of relief? (This was the narrative in the documentary)
  • or did they leave and want half in and half out and then the Queen said no (closer to the truth).

Having peddled version 1 for a long time Harry is clearly coming back to version 2 and hoping we have all forgotten version 1.

Also who is orchestrating this ‘stitch up’- is he accusing the judiciary of being corrupt? Is he saying his dad is corrupt? (Then why this desperate need to be reconciled with the corrupt monarch of a racist country?) After all if the establishment is the government then what is Yvette Cooper going to do? Surely she IS the establishment. is he saying the Met Police is corrupt? But he wants more protection from them.

So this blob, this establishment has it in for his family. But he also wants this same amorphous establishment to protect him and give him security? Why would he trust the establishment when it suits him and trash it when it doesn’t?! (Rhetorical question…)

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He's pretty much saying they're all corrupt and out to get him. Mad stuff.

He's blaming it on 'the previous government' as a way to appeal to Yvette Cooper, but I very much doubt she will be impressed.

If he actually believes what he says, he should just accept that his life is in California now and give up on Britain. It's not like he'd be missed.

CathyorClaire · 02/05/2025 21:39

What would you suggest he do?

I think deleting links to Sussex websites from official RF pages might be a start.

PotolKimchi · 02/05/2025 21:40

But if they are all corrupt and out to get him, why does he want personal protection from these same ‘corrupt’ people? Surely by his own logic that protection would be tainted…

Baital · 02/05/2025 21:41

CathyorClaire · 02/05/2025 21:39

What would you suggest he do?

I think deleting links to Sussex websites from official RF pages might be a start.

They would probably be accused of a cover up.

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TessaTemu · 02/05/2025 21:41

IcedPurple · 02/05/2025 21:39

He's pretty much saying they're all corrupt and out to get him. Mad stuff.

He's blaming it on 'the previous government' as a way to appeal to Yvette Cooper, but I very much doubt she will be impressed.

If he actually believes what he says, he should just accept that his life is in California now and give up on Britain. It's not like he'd be missed.

What he forgot mention is that it also happened under the previous monarch.

PoppysAunt · 02/05/2025 21:41

PotolKimchi · 02/05/2025 21:40

But if they are all corrupt and out to get him, why does he want personal protection from these same ‘corrupt’ people? Surely by his own logic that protection would be tainted…

Yeah I think you made a mistake looking for logic.

RandyRedHumpback · 02/05/2025 21:42

PoppysAunt · 02/05/2025 19:14

I'd love to interview him 😁
Me: Harry, what day is it?
Harry: It's my family's fault, also the press, RAVEC, the Phantom of the Opera and dog bowl manufacturers.

You: Harry, what day is it?

Harry: Nobody told me what day it is. If they had we wouldn't be where we are now. It's not my fault days of the week were withheld from me and others made decisions on my behalf about what day of the week it would be. If I had been able to find out the day of the week for myself, I would have been able to protect my wife and children from Sundays.

MrsLeonFarrell · 02/05/2025 21:42

CathyorClaire · 02/05/2025 21:39

What would you suggest he do?

I think deleting links to Sussex websites from official RF pages might be a start.

I agree, I don't think they should still be on there, particularly with a link to their website.

IcedPurple · 02/05/2025 21:43

PotolKimchi · 02/05/2025 21:40

But if they are all corrupt and out to get him, why does he want personal protection from these same ‘corrupt’ people? Surely by his own logic that protection would be tainted…

Exactly.

That's why I'm saying he needs to give up on Blighty and make his life in California. If 'they' are out to get him then surely it's best just not to set foot in the realm.

I think the reality is he desperately misses his old life and status but can't admit that.

IcedPurple · 02/05/2025 21:44

TessaTemu · 02/05/2025 21:41

What he forgot mention is that it also happened under the previous monarch.

Good point.

A lot of the 'royal experts' interviewed on Sky and BBC also seem to have forgotten that.

CathyorClaire · 02/05/2025 21:45

Baital · 02/05/2025 21:41

They would probably be accused of a cover up.

They could always try it and see who's believed😎

Profhilodisaster · 02/05/2025 21:46

I've just seen this

ETA : Link as it's not very clear x.com/chrisshipitv/status/1918387472330887288?s=46&t=zeqvo7Iw1m8V4kXAX7nn1A

Harry and RAVEC #2
Harry and RAVEC #2
JADS · 02/05/2025 21:46

IcedPurple · 02/05/2025 21:39

He's pretty much saying they're all corrupt and out to get him. Mad stuff.

He's blaming it on 'the previous government' as a way to appeal to Yvette Cooper, but I very much doubt she will be impressed.

If he actually believes what he says, he should just accept that his life is in California now and give up on Britain. It's not like he'd be missed.

Well he did manage to get Johnny Mercer to sign off on his 2027 Invictus jolly before he was turfed out.

Funny how's happy with corruption as long as it suits him.

I hope Yvette Cooper tells him to f off

PoppysAunt · 02/05/2025 21:46

RandyRedHumpback · 02/05/2025 21:42

You: Harry, what day is it?

Harry: Nobody told me what day it is. If they had we wouldn't be where we are now. It's not my fault days of the week were withheld from me and others made decisions on my behalf about what day of the week it would be. If I had been able to find out the day of the week for myself, I would have been able to protect my wife and children from Sundays.

Also, I am the only person in the world to suffer like this. All the trauma of working out what day it is and no-one to help me. My own brother having a calendar on his bedroom wall and never letting me look at it. All my life I have been treated in this way in whatever palace or castle I was living in.

PotolKimchi · 02/05/2025 21:52

@IcedPurple Not just that. He’s sort of faded into irrelevance. His wife is doing a bunch of stuff (podcasts and TV shows and jam making) but what is he doing other than these random crusades? I think the interview and the statement is a threat that he could reveal more. Because literally all he has is his former insider status. Meghan wasn’t an insider long enough but he was. So it’s a nice bit of blackmail masquerading as a BBC interview.

The problem is this. The world will move on in 7 days. Tariffs. Trump. Maybe a natural disaster somewhere. Elections. Prince Harry and his woes while entertaining are not actually newsworthy. He will perhaps do another round of US talk shows. Maybe performatively become a US citizen one day. But the RF will keep ignoring/blanking him and the world will keep turning.

Profhilodisaster · 02/05/2025 21:56

I want to start by thanking my legal team and the Court of Appeal Judges for their time and expertise in unravelling this issue that stemmed from the previous government.
This process has only ever been about ensuring my safety and that of my immediate family when we are in in the United Kingdom, so that we may safely visit my home country with the same level of security that other governments deem necessary for our protection. My ask has been simple: that the standard protocols for security and risk assessments be applied to me in the same way they are to others - including people who have never carried out any public functions on behalf of the State.
The court's ruling confirms that the Executive Committee for the Protection of Royalty and Public Figures, known as RAVEC and comprised of senior officials from the Royal Household, Home Office and Metropolitan Police, has failed to follow its own mandated processes for me, which are applied to all other high-risk and high-profile individuals. Given my profound concerns over this issue, I will be writing to the Home Secretary to ask her to urgently examine the matter and review the RAVEC process.
This legal action has been a last resort, but one that has uncovered shocking truths, starting with the fact that the Royal Household are key decision-makers on RAVEC and my sole representation for matters regarding my safety. In this process, I've also learned the names of all those involved, many of whom retired immediately after playing their part.
In November 2017, before the Royal Household's role on RAVEC was known, this secretive committee concluded that when my wife would join the royal family, she should not receive protection. Only when I asked for the name of the person willing to carry that risk, did they reverse the decision.
In 2020, RAVEC refused for the first time to conduct the required annual risk, threat and impact assessment that their own policies demand. The intention of this assessment is to be objective, and free from bias and interference to confirm the security required. The result was stripping me of the protection I've had since birth, whilst signalling to all other governments to do the same. This reckless action knowingly put me and my family in harm's way. Life is precious and I understand the fragility of it.
Throughout 2020 and 2021, I attempted to resolve this issue privately, even offering to independently cover the costs of necessary and effective police protection in order to keep me and my family safe. No one responded directly to me about my offer when I made it and even though I challenged the refusal to let me pay, my legal claim failed.
To this present day, the Royal Household remain my sole representation on RA VEC for every visit and could call for this assessment to be done at any point. The only possible conclusion that can be drawn is they choose not to, because they know the outcome would prove that my security should never have been removed in the first place.
In recent years my family and I have been subjected to well-documented neo-Nazi and extremist threats, including from Al-Qaeda. There are individuals in prison on UK soil because of such threats. And yet, since 2019 a proper risk assessment has not been conducted. This is not only a deviation from standard practice, it's a dereliction of duty.
The stark difference is I was born into lifelong circumstances that create inherent security risks.
My decade of military service, particularly two tours of duty in Afghanistan, as well as social and tabloid media frenzy, have only intensified those threats. Uncovering how my immediate family's safety was knowingly put at risk, as well as who was behind it and who sanctioned it, has been truly devastating. No matter where we may agree or disagree, I would never wish harm on anyone. These legal proceedings have revealed to me that this basic duty of care was not and is not applied to me.
It's true that I have been treated as an exception on this issue. The conditions of my security were not made based on threat, risk, and impact, they were made based on my role - one that my wife and I wanted to maintain, but that was ultimately refused. RAVEC's ability to make decisions outside of its own policies and the so-called political sensitivities of my case have prevailed over the need for fair and consistent decision-making.
The court has decided to
defer to this, revealing a sad truth: my hands are tied in seeking legal recourse against the establishment.
This all comes from the same institutions that preyed upon my mother, that openly campaigned for the removal of our security, and that continue to incite hatred towards me, my wife and even our children, while at the same time protecting the very power that they should be holding
The UK is my birthplace and will always be part of who I am. It is a place I love, and the country where my son was born. I've only ever wanted to continue my charitable work in supporting the causes and people that mean so much to me, and for my children to know th beauty of my homeland. I remain committed to a life of public service.
This has been and will always be, my life's work, and when you strip away the noise, you'll be able to hear, all I've been asking for is safety

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